Womans Hour Wed 23rd April.

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Apparently the women from FWS will be on.....

https://x.com/millihill/status/1914732862894694516?t=dVRYwM118BO_24mO21-05g&s=19

It's like they're having two different conversations. Are BBC people being provided with a set of talking points and being told specifically not to check on the actual facts?

Women aren't human shields, heard on BBC! Goodness

I missed who the guest speaker is but she's brilliant. The presenter (not Nuala - she must have been taken ill at the idea of centring women and had to go and lie down) is determined to prioritise the TW narrative but she is at least giving her plenty of time to speak.

An honourable mention to Mumsnet!

‘Transwomen’ tends to be preferred on here, for the reasons you mention.

The transwoman toilet issue is literally not our problem!! Why is it women's bloody problem what offensive men want to do? Grrr

The name For Women Scotland was a play on the fact that they wondered if there'd be only 4 women in the group.

I want Susan to run the country. So clear!

What do you say to people who say you've been bankrolled by people like JKR and you are in fact an anti-trans lobby group?

Bankrolled by a witch, how dare they!

Presenter: What would you say to people who say you've been bankrolled by high profile individuals and you are in essence an anti-trans organisation?

[Me, in kichen: Oh fuck off!]

Susan: [fortunately] Sensible, considered answer.

OMG SS is so good

“The powerful tendency for public discussion of gender issues to drift, inexorably, back to the male point of view.”

Phallic Drift as defined above. In evidence at the beginning of this interview and almost all media since the SC judgement was handed down…

The presenter's questions come across as uninformed and biased but it's giving Susan Smith a great platform to be very clear on and to show how much of a grip she has on this subject.

I ended up treating WH like a recalcitrant teenager - praised the good, critiqued the bad (via email), ignored the tantrum / lack of logic.

Then after a few years I stopped bothering with it.

Looks like WH finally started to grow up. About bloody time.

End of segment. It did get the first third of the programme.

Yes, she’s been really good here.

Susan Smith was excellent 👏

Huge sigh of relief from the presenter as she moves on to the next, much fluffier and less cognitively dissonant topic. Well done Susan Smith you were brilliant and so so clear.

Thanks. I've been getting it wrong then.

Covering a lot of bases in this interview.

The interviewer sounded really wooden, her voice suddenly became animated when she moved onto the next interview with a different topic.

What a brilliant spokeswoman Susan Smith is! She is clear, sensible, full of the facts, compassionate. Of COURSE one of the first things she was asked was, 'but do you not feel you should be KIND to the poor trans women?'

The idea that JKR 'bankrolled' this is absurd. It's well publicised that the most she funded was 100K (I saw 70K cited too). Do people honestly think a court case like that only cost that much?? No no, ordinary women (and probably a few guys) put in fivers and tenners and if they could afford it, £50 here and there. The TRAs can't cope with this idea and naturally would prefer it if the Wicked Witch of the North funded the whole shebang, as obviously she's capable of doing.

Obviously this is a really good reason for JKR not to have funded it all herself, because it just opens it up to criticism. And I'm sure she also wanted to give the rest of us a chance to be part of this, which is very important. The victory belongs to us all.

Responses all clear and balanced. Well done Susan Smith. 👏👏

Susan was bloody brilliant, so very calm!

I did think the interviewer did a good job in letting Susan get her whole point across. Lots of BBC interviewers would not have done that.

Oooh will listen later!

Neither. It should be trans-identified men. They are not women of any sort.

Separating trans implies that these men are women-who-are-trans, much the same way as blak women are women-who-are-black. It is a deliberate and successful attempt to confuse people - most people not fully engaged with this issue understand it to mean female people who identify as men.

If you extend the logic to 'trans' being one word with 'woman' (I know, I know, there's no logic in transgenderism), would you even dream of calling Whoopi Goldberg a 'blackwoman'? My immediate apologies to WG for using such a phenomenally offensive term!