What are you feeling since the judgement?

[BlessingKalmly]

A space to explore the emotions, thoughts and feelings post judgement; that Women are BORN and not worn.

A request: If TRA's join and derail, PLEASE can we totally ignore them like we might a gnat. Please let's not unfocus from us, the women who have seen this fight through to the end

Personally, I'm feeling a whole range of emotions.

I feel elated, I have that feeling like I have to almost pinch myself to remind myself that this madness has ended. I feel emboldened to speak my truth, I feel powerful in protecting my sisters. I feel slightly in shock... as if I haven't fully been able to process the madness of the past few years.... it's been constant fight, fight, fight for our rights, and only now can I stop and take stock of WHAT THE F* went on.

At the same time I feel so DEEPLY effing ANGRY at the men lamenting over not being able to give away rights that were never theirs in the first place. Men lamenting over something that has no impact on them.

I feel deep sadness and frustration that people can't seem to find a single fuck about severely disabled, or elderly women who deserve the right to truly female only care.

I feel so confused over how fucking stupid some people are, sharing memes and propaganda without ZERO understanding of how the Equality Act works or what any of this means in practice.

I feel so deeply thankful that our justice system remains strong, and a beacon of sense a truth in what feels like times of madness.

I feel like I could facepalm myself into oblivion, watching trans-maidens totally disregard their sisters and pander over men's rights.

What about you?

Unfortunately history is littered with this, from religion to dictatorships to wars. Usually we see the same pattern, the shutting down of dissenting voices, the use of the media/mass audience institutions of the day - church/rallies/msm/sm instillation of fear, threat of exile from society, removal of alternative information sources, often women and/or the poor disproportionately affected/excluded from decision making. Others telling the following group it lacks common sense. embedding of doctrine in educational establishments, throwing out those who disagree

There’s other issues around the world inc in this country where the same pattern is being presented. Please everyone stop and think- what mantra are you following

Tangent but I was on DW when it was a forum and missed the FB migration. I loved it for years and I'm sorry to hear it went that way.

Someone on my socials posted this today! I couldn’t eye roll hard enough.

My thoughts are the amount of adults, who I thought were fairly intelligent, seem to be so far removed from reality and have absolutely lost their minds over this. A lot also don’t seem to have read never mind understand the judgment.

They shout TWAW but can’t explain the how and why, can’t define what living as a woman is, can’t define what a ‘gender identity’ is without relying on regressive stereotypes and how that makes you the opposite sex, they don’t have an answer to why males, with all the physiological advantages they possess which is why sport is sex segregated in the first place, should be allowed to compete in women’s sports just for believing they are a woman, how a male who merely declares himself a woman is suddenly now not a risk and all safeguarding should be shelved. Based on a feeling.

‘It’s cis men not trans women’ - yet not one can explain how we can tell the nice ones from the ones with nefarious intent. How women just wanting their own fucking space away from biological males (from the predators right down to the lovely ones who wouldn’t harm anyone) are deemed anti trans bigots wanting trans genocide.

How these people can’t see that these TRAs are akin to MRA’s, and there are women championing it. One ‘friend’ put ‘I’m more concerned about Andrew Tate’. They are two cheeks of the same arse mate 🙄.

Insanity.

If TRA's join and derail, PLEASE can we totally ignore them like we might a gnat. Please let's not unfocus from us, the women who have seen this fight through to the end

Just to say this isn’t meant to be a ‘derail’ but adding a different perspective.

I’m sad for a number of reasons.

I’m sad because I’ve seen horrible GC men on my social media mansplaining to women why this is good for them. I know one of these men personally and he’s very misogynistic. I’m so sad he now has a card to play which makes him feel holier than thou and like he doesn’t need to work on himself. He is supported by many GC women and fairly well known in the space and I just don’t see how when he hasn’t thought about feminism a day in his life before he became GC.

I’m also sad because although I know this ruling comes from a place of wanting to protect women, trans people DO exist. We don’t live in a binary world, and this will make their life significantly worse. I keep thinking about all the trans men who will be at a restaurant with their friends who won’t be able to use the bathroom because of the catch 22 they’ve been put in. The increased risk of organisations feeling emboldened to ask invasive, humiliating questions to “verify” someone’s biological sex if they’re unsure. Trans women GRCs who have lived as females for decades and decades no longer allowed to attend women’s only areas like camping groups or book clubs.

I’ve also seen some people (but not all) say horrible things to make themselves feel better about the fact this group is becoming significantly less comfortable: they’re perverts, trans men are just confused gay women, they’re probably all brainwashed by the TRA brigade- or just simply ‘I don’t care, tough for them’. When you think about the real people behind this ruling, how can you not feel empathy?

Oh my God!! No one has said trans people don’t exist! This judgment isn’t saying trans people don’t and shouldn’t exist, stop peddling this nonsense. It’s calling a spade a spade in law. No rights have been lost for trans people.

Trans men can continue to use the male bathrooms if they wish. If males have a problem with it a male equivalent group can get their sex clarified in law. They won’t because they don’t care if trans men are in their spaces and sports as they aren’t a risk to them as they are biologically female.

Trans women can live their lives as they see fit, and they should but women deserve their own spaces and sports for their own privacy and dignity. They aren’t there to validate men who feel differently about themselves. Bloody campaign for men to be more accepting of gender non-conforming men who feel they are women.

So sick of people thinking this judgment is akin to women requesting trans genocide when it’s not.

I obviously wasn’t saying that you all think trans people don’t exist, like they’re some mythical creatures, but that the changes in law don’t account for their existence and dignity.

So why the need to constantly say that they exist?

Have you even read it? Nothing has changed. Trans women aren’t biological women. If they were they wouldn’t be trans. Their status as trans is protected in law, from discrimination. In fact trans men now have maternity rights which they wouldn’t have had as we all know men can birth children but many trans men use their female bodies to (Freddie McConnell anyone).

but that the changes in law don’t account for their existence and dignity.

What law do you think has changed?

It’s reinforced what a mess Labour created with the GRA. We’re stuck in this never ending tussle over what women should feel safe having. And backlash from males who want more.

Such a lack of foresight.

Nicked from another thread, can you answer this @CosyTaupeShark-

Why it should be required to erase the entire history of the female struggle for recognition in law and the entire basis of sex in the Equality Act to make it a uniquely undefinable category? And why trans people should have the protection of their birth sex, their certificated sex AND gender reassignment while women have absolutely nothing that addresses sex as an axis of oppression? And who that benefits? And how it's any different from the right railing against EDI?

I’m afraid the law is now very clear for the relevant purposes sex is very much binary.

Women have been excluded from single sex spaces and services - ones meant for them through intimidation and fear. They have had there economic sources taken away, had their voices removed.

It is the TRAs who have let the trans community down. Rather than try and muscle in on women’s spaces and services they should have been concentrating on using their own protections under the EA, to create spaces and services for trans people, ones that meet their needs. They should have spent the last 10 years campaigning for third space toilets. Then your trans friends would have not had to worry about going out.

TRAs should have been confronted more by people in the trans community - the TRAs were never about the trans community, they were always about the subjugation of women.

your trans friends need to look at how their needs can be met which they rightfully should be, without forcing women out of their rightfully won and needed spaces and services.

I feel very grateful to the FWS women and the wonderful strong women who have fought this and the Court for making a sensible judgement. I am appalled at the death threats that they have had. I am grateful to JK Rowling who has used her status and wealth for the good of women and children- what a wonderful person she is ! I feel angry at a the women who have been put through hell at work, uni etc just being themselves and for lesbians...it is like living in some weird Twilight Zone these past few years. I worry about children and women as I don't think we have heard the last of it as men get angry when they don't get what they want sadly. I am also disgusted to have seen very privileged types calling JK and FWS allsorts and women like us allsorts and talking about how terrible it is for the trans women. No thought for women in VAWAG refuges, lesbians, women in prisons or girls sharing changing rooms with someone of the opposite sex etc I think they will double down.

There have been no changes in law, their existence and dignity is very much affirmed by the EA. But their existence is protected as trans people and by the sex they are which is immutable

"I keep thinking about all the trans men who will be at a restaurant with their friends who won’t be able to use the bathroom because of the catch 22 they’ve been put in."

I know you said ignore these posters OP and you are entirely right, but this kind of statement is just not true. It's emotive garbage.

I glad that the judgement has wiped away the deliberate lies about the existing law and that the SC has clarified that EA says what it has always said. I'm glad that the dignity and existence of women was and is recognised. Woman, mother are not unkind words that must be expunged because they make men sad. Women are not a thought in a man's head, we exist.

@CosyTaupeShark

None of their rights have been diminished. They have the protection as trans people in law.
I am so glad this is now clarified by the Supreme Court. I know women only groups that felt forced to have trans women use the services because they were fucking terrified of being taken to court. Why would a trans woman want to belong to a PCOS group - they don’t have ovaries??? the women set up another shadow group that didn’t include the trans woman. My mate said the trans woman talked about their own period pain and no one was able to say anything about it because they were anxious about repercussions. It’s been absolutely bonkers. Now they can legitimately ask him to leave the group - finally common sense prevails.

It is said that 90% are imitators and 10% are innovators.... that goes with thought.

10% will think critically and create their own conclusions. 90% just follow what they are told.

PP is right, it is the great challenge of humanity and society. This 90%/10% problem is what has allowed so many shocking things to pass... Nazism, dictatorships, religious extremism....

Humanity is constantly on a knife's edge of falling into a pit of nonsensical suffering.

I’ve got quite a few responses and it’s difficult to reply to all of them without it taking all day, but I’ll just say:

• It’s not ‘emotive garbage’ about trans men, it’s reality. What about if a trans man has a disability where he needs consistent access to public bathrooms? The clarification around sex puts them in a very difficult position, and I’ve even seen people on here recognise that! But if you find yourself having an empathetic emotional response to what I’m saying, that’s interesting to me. A lot of people on here (not necessarily the person who posted this) deliberately dehumanise trans people in an attempt to stop feeling empathy for them.
• Just to clarify when I said ‘change’ I should’ve said clarification, with regards to the law. That was a typo on my part.
• A lot of these responses have reinforced my initial point that you will all say ‘tough, you should’ve campaigned for a third space!’ Saying ‘tough luck’ isn’t how human rights works. These are people who need dignity in real time.
• Just as an observation, the way of speaking on here seems to use ‘Mott and Bailey’ arguments, and consistently reframing the arguments around the same talking points you know you have group answers for in order to dog pile. There is also an LOT of leading questions instead of genuine open mindedness. Instead of fighting back and ignoring me, this is a plea to PLEASE actually listen to what I’ve said with an open mind. I’m not the enemy.

I wanted to frame it in a different perspective than the talking points which are always picked up on here.

the point of this thread was for women to explore feelings. There are so many other threads hashing out debates around the topic. Very politely I ask that we can keep this space for gentle exploration and not debate <3

I was sharing how I felt, and clearly other people turned it into a debate. Why am I being blamed for that? That’s quite unfair.

I am becoming increasingly convinced that women made an error. We think of this situation in terms of facts and rights and laws, and in reality we are dealing with a movement that acts in the same way as an abusive, controlling narcissist complete with flying monkeys.

Today I am feeling more peaceful... I notice that whenever I post something about sex-realism on Facebook I get lots of positive engagement. And those that are posting Trans hyperbole are getting little to zero engagement, so that's interesting.

I've also noticed that since the 'protest' social media support for Trans seems to have dropped significantly.

I was really elated when I watched the ruling and spent a good deal of the day following the news reports on TV and radio. True to TRA form, they had not formed media-friendly press release answers to their defeat as - again, true to form - they rather arrogantly assumed this was an easy win and they'd be crowing.

Their representatives were therefore a mess of emotions and feelings, often incoherent and illogical in their interviews. James O'Brien was angry and bitter, flailing around to blame everyone else. The transwomen spokesmen on TV were vitriolic and hyperbolic in their performative fear. By contrast, the few actual feminists who were asked on to news segments were cool, calm and measured in their replies. It was awesome. By Saturday it was obvious the TRA fans had been swapping notes in WhatsApp groups, as their talking points were remarkably similar. Hence the 6'2" mythical transman, the genital toilet inspectors and 'the winning side have let misogynist men win' tropes trotted out by various dismayed losers.

The disgraceful but predictable placards, the vile verbal threats and so on in public over the weekend confirmed that 'the right side of history' crowd are indeed not the most vulnerable, most oppressed. I'm very optimistic that the front pages of newspapers and the online appalling behaviours will filter through to the fence-sitters.

My mood this week is hopeful because we've been vindicated.

Pleased with the result but nervous about future possible conversations with people. And that makes me cross that I will still be made the one to be in the wrong. Even though I’m not. And that by being pleased with the ruling doesn’t make you anti-trans as such, but makes you pro women.

Women are not your support humans

if you don’t think it’s fair, well no one is forcing you to stay and post