What are you feeling since the judgement?

[BlessingKalmly]

A space to explore the emotions, thoughts and feelings post judgement; that Women are BORN and not worn.

A request: If TRA's join and derail, PLEASE can we totally ignore them like we might a gnat. Please let's not unfocus from us, the women who have seen this fight through to the end

Personally, I'm feeling a whole range of emotions.

I feel elated, I have that feeling like I have to almost pinch myself to remind myself that this madness has ended. I feel emboldened to speak my truth, I feel powerful in protecting my sisters. I feel slightly in shock... as if I haven't fully been able to process the madness of the past few years.... it's been constant fight, fight, fight for our rights, and only now can I stop and take stock of WHAT THE F* went on.

At the same time I feel so DEEPLY effing ANGRY at the men lamenting over not being able to give away rights that were never theirs in the first place. Men lamenting over something that has no impact on them.

I feel deep sadness and frustration that people can't seem to find a single fuck about severely disabled, or elderly women who deserve the right to truly female only care.

I feel so confused over how fucking stupid some people are, sharing memes and propaganda without ZERO understanding of how the Equality Act works or what any of this means in practice.

I feel so deeply thankful that our justice system remains strong, and a beacon of sense a truth in what feels like times of madness.

I feel like I could facepalm myself into oblivion, watching trans-maidens totally disregard their sisters and pander over men's rights.

What about you?

I feel good about it a few days on.

A more relaxed feeling of not my circus settling in. Let the male sex class deal with their issues.

I still feel good about it, but feel that we must be vigilant. We must not let it happen again.

I am relieved that I took early retirement from the civil service and didn't have to suffer having to put my pronouns on anything, or take part in EDI sessions where I had to say that a man identifying as a woman had to be allowed in women's spaces.

As days have gone by the judgement has sunk in, for me it brings a warm feeling every time it pops into my head. The scenes of joy from FWS across the headlines

However I feel sad for genuinely vulnerable people who were brainwashed into believing they can change sex and have now come crashing down. I hope they can now accept the fact that there are some things in life we simply have no control over and our sex is one of them. No amount of hormones or surgery will ever change this.
I feel fearful of the activists who have been fueled, what will they do next? more violence and treats against women, appeal to ECHR ?

First relieved. Then happy. Now pissed off. I'm not sure much has changed. Now the focus has shifted on to "how do we keep trans people safe, women are such bigots for saying no, why couldn't they have moved aside".

ie it's women's fault it's going to cost us money to build 3rd spaces.

Curious how it works in Thailand, haven't they had 3rd spaces for a while now?

The ongoing 'Oh isn't it awful that women turn out to still have rights in law, we're so very very sorry poor men, it's dreadful for you' is nauseating.

I thought I'd got the measure of how big a misogyny problem the UK had, but fuck me this has been a really ugly week.

I know. I'm 21 and seemingly in a minority of ppl my age (i.e. supporting the ruling).
I'm being made to feel as if I'm an annoying pain in the a*se simply because I DON'T want ppl with penises in the bathrooms and changing rooms I use!
I really CANNOT understand why most young women seem to accept them being in their spaces!
As to whether men want vags in THEIR spaces, that's up to them. I only enter "their" space if mine is overloaded with ppl and theirs is empty, and I've never been told not to. I had a funny look once but he soon "went back to his business" sts.

Young women, if they've been lucky, haven't experienced much assault or harassment by men, and are also in the peak of their reproductive phases (ie interest in pleasing men). Fairy tales etc has them mocking older women and branding them as out-of-date witches. Older women are much wiser, having had more life experience.

I used to be naive enough to wonder why we needed sports separated by sex 🙄

We need to bring back a culture of respecting elders.

Young women also haven't lived long enough to see how the sex differences play out over standard life experiences. I was the same. I remember thinking "well, we have the same rights in law, we're even doing better at university, we have childcare available and our generation of men is more evolved than before so it's going to be nice and equal even if we do need to take a bit longer off work to recover from labour". I didn't disrespect older women who said it doesn't work that way, but I did think they were speaking from their own experience and times were different now.|

In the early stages, especially when you're in the bubble of university, you can't see the differences so much in lives. It probably does look no different to "one group is more likely to be into hair, makeup and fashion".

But the older women were right when I was younger, and they're right now. You will be treated differently, the life experience you get from your sexed body will be different and you need protections based on this. The TRAs call this biological essentialism because they don't know what that means, but it DOESN'T mean you must have a certain personality, you must live a certain life etc. It DOES mean that you live with certain risks and that certain experiences, with childbirth being the most obvious one but not the only one, will affect you in a way they do not affect men. You are not destined to live any particular life or have any particular personality traits, but you will live in that sexed body your entire life and you will need protections based upon that fact. Perhaps you will be lucky enough never, ever to require any of those protections (unlikely) but women as a class still require them and it's not for a privileged few who consent to ditching them to strip them away from everyone else.

The world will ALWAYS know who the women are, just as it does now.

I think you are very much in the minority with your peer group and I admire you for standing up and saying why you don’t want men in your space. I used to use the men’s when I was younger - if it was clubbing and there was a massive queue ( my bladder is tiny so I’m a pee machine) I would shout - I’m a girl but can I pee here ? And if they said no I would have respected that. This is the issue for me - these dressed up men don’t care how we feel and knowing we feel uncomfortable just increases their arousal because I am sure many have Autogynephilia.

Somewhere there's an alternative reality where the court defined women in terms of self id. I wonder if all these calls for understanding, accommodations and sympathy exist there?

Only joking, we know that women would be called bigots at best for daring to question the judgement.

ETA So I'm increasingly feeling angry!

Unfortunately there is a long history of this - older women who are not interested whether men like them or not, have certain important status like healing powers, ability to deliver the next generation as midwives, successful authors, intelligent, rich. There’s a certain type of men who hate this and will use whichever mechanism is open to them, the church, the msm, SM, economics to try and keep these women quiet

Weary. I'm feeling weary.

I've seen posts from one person declaring that they will die as a result because the ruling means if they discover a breast lump in their hormone engendered breast tissue, the NHS will refuse to treat it 'because men can't get breast cancer', another raging that their TW child would be legally sexually violated if they were to be arrested and searched by a male police officer (obviously female prisoners wouldn't feel violated by a TW police officer searching them and a female police officer wouldn't feel violated by being expected to search a male body 🤔) and a declaration that any woman who supports the clarification 'doesn't count as a woman because women aren't cruel like that'.

All male. All raging at the lack of kindness towards these most special individuals.

All raging at women.

I’d agree with the feeling a bit pissed off now. There are so many people who are being wilfully disingenuous in misinterpreting the ruling, or misunderstanding why it’s all been a problem (Alistair Campbell, I am looking at you). And all the tedious whining from men who don’t like being told “no”. Plus the ridiculousness of Saturday’s protest with those banner advocating violence against women, that moob walk and the utter virtue signalling wankery of organisations, slebs and TRA handmaids lining up to reaffirm their devotion to the cause.

I hope that when the EHRC issues their guidance it will put a stop to at least some of this! And then we can see where the land lies in terms of enforcing the law, where necessary. It’s all a bit in limbo at the moment.

And yet men can get breast cancer and can will get treated by the NGS ( Remembering the brave man on This Morning twenty years ago discussing it).

Some of the placards on that March were vile. Hardly an advocate for the ‘all trans people are harmless’ message that is usually spouted.

It identified as a 'peaceful protest' though in the letter of er, interesting demands, that has appeared.

Thank you for this thread. I've only read the first page, but it really resonates with me. Thank you for the precious reminders that there are reasons to be positive, and thank you in particular for the reassurance of knowing I'm not alone in my shock and distress at the backlash.

The violent anger I think we all expected. But to see so many public bodies doubling down, with emotive messages expressing concern for the very group the SC has just established was dismantling women's rights, without so much as a nod to the women who were wronged? That's frightened me far more than anything has since I entered the fight.

It seems like such an extreme stance for public bodies to take: to put in writing that the law may say that A has been harmed by B for many years, but we nonetheless stand by B. Why not something more careful at least?! I'd not expected wholesale acceptance, but hadn't had the slightest doubt that there'd at least be reluctant references to complex balancing acts yahdeyada. Instead, it feels somewhat as though we're witnessing a large-scale public rejection of women having any need of or right to the protections we've just won back - even in the context of violent anger from the other side evidencing why we need them.

In this context, a week after the highest court in the land returned my rights, I'm finding that those scarily recent days when we couldn't vote / open a bank account / get a mortgage / resist a husband's advances feel more present, more real, to me than ever before. I've been deeply disturbed by it, and, while reading widely, have needed to take some time away from posting.

It's also really disorientating. When I expressed my shock at various one-sided communiques to a family member, they pointed out that, while I may see the word "woman" as being sex-based, others have as deep-seated a belief as my own that it isn't. And I know that that person shares many of my concerns, and is empathetic and fair-minded, and was trying to reassure me in their way. But. Presenting a hypothetical NHS Trust's apparent conviction that 51% of the population don't need their own word or associated political and legal recognition as anything other than terrifying can feel, in itself... rather frightening right now.

I wasn't sure where to put this link. I decided here because it sums up, far more eloquently than I could, my thoughts about Starmer since his comments on the judgement

https://archive.ph/aBhv1

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keir-starmer-is-a-shallow-hollow-man/

I know, I know, golden bridges but it's going to take a moment or two.

...or three 😠

Totally agree @Catiette i thought there would be some acknowledgment and acceptance possibly even understanding of the damage done to women but instead everyone, media, local government, NHS, charities have basically gone “fuck off women we stand with the men”

it’s unutterably depressing to see that it wasn’t that they were bullied into not giving a fuck about women, they actually genuinely couldn’t give a fuck and are enjoying the chance to show it

The thing is, we can’t just sit around now, now is the time to take action, to write to your councillor/MP asking what they are going to be doing to make sure the ruling of the Supreme Court is implemented across all public services and spaces.what they are going to be doing to support women. We need to be counteracting the lies on SM with straightforward facts about the SC ruling, we need to be filling the space before the misogynists do. The rules are on our side but the fight continues.

I strongly believe there is a contingent of people (men and women) who would have us in Gilead. We need to keep fighting

I only saw stuff about Statues on the BBC and Guardian.

So convincing others about the placards using media - other -than-BBC/Guardian - is work in itself.

You're absolutely right, of course. I'm feeling better as the days pass, and this thread has reminded me that there are other ways to think about it all. But I've found it a very difficult and eye-opening period.

All the more reason though, as you say, to fight on.

I’ve had a really positive response back from my Tory Councillor saying he is in total agreement with the SC ruling and will push to make sure the local council are acting in accordance with the rules.

Yet to hear back from my Lib Dem MP. During the election he was noticeably silent in his lack of response when I emailed and asked about women’s rights and how he defines a woman.

Every opportunity we need to fight to be heard.

You're an inspiration. Thank you. Once more unto the breach...

Feel pretty good after reading the interim guidance on another thread. Women are fantastic. Well the ones that got us to this point. So much work and pushing forward. Great stuff.