What are you feeling since the judgement?

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A space to explore the emotions, thoughts and feelings post judgement; that Women are BORN and not worn.

A request: If TRA's join and derail, PLEASE can we totally ignore them like we might a gnat. Please let's not unfocus from us, the women who have seen this fight through to the end

Personally, I'm feeling a whole range of emotions.

I feel elated, I have that feeling like I have to almost pinch myself to remind myself that this madness has ended. I feel emboldened to speak my truth, I feel powerful in protecting my sisters. I feel slightly in shock... as if I haven't fully been able to process the madness of the past few years.... it's been constant fight, fight, fight for our rights, and only now can I stop and take stock of WHAT THE F* went on.

At the same time I feel so DEEPLY effing ANGRY at the men lamenting over not being able to give away rights that were never theirs in the first place. Men lamenting over something that has no impact on them.

I feel deep sadness and frustration that people can't seem to find a single fuck about severely disabled, or elderly women who deserve the right to truly female only care.

I feel so confused over how fucking stupid some people are, sharing memes and propaganda without ZERO understanding of how the Equality Act works or what any of this means in practice.

I feel so deeply thankful that our justice system remains strong, and a beacon of sense a truth in what feels like times of madness.

I feel like I could facepalm myself into oblivion, watching trans-maidens totally disregard their sisters and pander over men's rights.

What about you?

I agree with that and Im not surprised to hear you say that. I've met far more trans women that feel the need to prove that they are real women than I have trans men who feel the need to prove that they are real men. Male competitiveness much? 😉

Interestingly, most of the time that I've expressed my view of transsexualism and how the GC perspective has helped me to understand how I define being transsexual, trans men have been more inclined to agree with me (on some level anyway) whereas the ones who called me names and reacted badly have mostly been.... trans women. And I think that is precisely because trans men understand the misogyny far more than their counterparts could.

I'm HOPING we will start to hear more of their voices now, because their voices are really important and they are often silenced and infantalised. Honestly, I just hope we hear from more trans people in general who have been silenced by the main narrative, there must be more of us out there! I just know it.

I am a woman, so I’m not sure why you are saying women aren’t my support humans. My original post actually pointed out my annoyance at misogynistic men becoming GC.

What I was saying was unfair was that I shared how I am feeling, using the phrasing ‘I am sad because X’.

Lots of people responded pushing back on my points.

I then respond to that.

I then get a response telling me not to debate, when I’m not the one who started the debate! Can’t you see how that’s a little annoying?!

Many posts here have echoed my thoughts, especially the ones showing trepidation as to what comes next - certain groups are not going to accept the ruling - they do not like being told no or their opinions are wrong.

Still no statement from the PM - with the Pope's death, it may be a statement with expected word salad of no substance will be issued hoping it is buried in the coverage of Pope Francis.

Realising how many women are willing to throw other women under the bus while telling us to 'be kind'.

Yeah, I'm wondering if the TRAs will now push TM as the main focus now and we'll start to see a similiar thing emerge. 'Handsome and brave'? 'Dashing and brave'?

Tbh, I don't think narcissism runs as deeply in ftm TRAs as it is within mtf TRAs.

Well I am happy with the result. But if you think this is over your being naive.

I feel immense gratitude for all of the women who have stood up, and who have contributed to the millions of pounds raised - and intense anger that we had to do it in the first place. We were right all along.
I'm wondering how much more it will take to get all our stuff back. How many organisations will change their name and articles, rather than revert to being for women?

It’s not ‘emotive garbage’ about trans men, it’s reality. What about if a trans man has a disability where he needs consistent access to public bathrooms? The clarification around sex puts them in a very difficult position, and I’ve even seen people on here recognise that!

People with disabilities have fought hard for their rights. I am not aware of anything in judgement which said that this means we will take away rights from people with disabilities if they happen to identify with the opposite sex.

I agree, slow turning if the tide but it’s a generation away before people wake up.

I feel relieved. If the judgement had gone the other way, it would have been even more of an uphill fight.
However, I'm seeing so much rage from the other side and absolutely zero introspection. I can't count the number of 'Block me if you agree with the ruling' type posts I've seen.
There are still a lot of people who are stuck in #nodebate. A few will start discussing and maybe we'll get somewhere but the hard-core TRAs are feel quite emboldened to call for violence against women, as we saw at the recent protests, as well as 'I'll go in your change rooms whether you like it or not'.
I think we're going to see a lot more boundary crossing, a lot more men in women's spaces raring to start a fight.
So, yes I'm relieved. We're making progress but I'm worried too. As others have said, this is like an abusive relationship. It's when women say 'no more', when we try to leave, that it's at its most dangerous.

Agree. It's emotive garbage to say "all the trans men who will be at a restaurant with their friends who won’t be able to use the bathroom".
Nothing to do with trans issues - in the UK, any sit-down restaurant/cafe is legally required to provide at least one toilet and handwashing facility. So the transman will use that, just like everyone else manages to do. Including people with disabilities who might actually struggle to do so because the space is restricted or for multiple other reasons.
The infantilising of trans-identifying women is extraordinary.

You are misrepresenting both the UK Supreme Court ruling and the reality for trans men. The ruling clarified that for Equality Act purposes, “sex” now means biological sex, even for those with a Gender Recognition Certificate. This means trans men are legally classified as female and can be excluded from men’s spaces, including toilets and changing rooms, based on their birth sex. It is not a simple matter of them “just using the men’s.” Calling trans men “trans-identified women” is both factually wrong and disrespectful, and accusing others of infantilising them while refusing to respect their identity is deeply ironic.

@BuffysBigSister I have been looking at Laura Bates' webpage and also read Everyday Sexism and am now reading Men Who Hate Women. I do not understand why/how she squares TWAW with her revelation of how much women are subject to sexism and sexual violence.

At no point did I say they could "just use the men's", as you can see. They're legally classed as female, as you say yourself. So they are entitled to use the women's, no?

Am I really "factually wrong"? Are they not women with a trans identity? What are they transing from and to? If they are men, why the descriptor "trans"? If they are men, why can't they just use the men's? So much contradiction.

You have misunderstood the meaning of both infantilising and ironic.

Apologies, that wasn’t you. Someone further up the thread responded to me saying that they can just use the men’s.

And here you are saying they should use the women’s.

Seems like a bit of an own goal since you can’t even agree on that?

Which EXACTLY proves my point that it will be difficult for trans men to decide where to go, thus making it difficult for them to use the bathroom in public spaces. Which will further disadvantage trans men who need to use public bathrooms often if they have any disabilities or health issues.

Thanks for proving my point!

@FlirtsWithRhinos I was elated when I heard the judgement but I fear what you fear. That Parliament will legislate our rights away permanently without appeal. Already TRAs are saying this is something Parliament should decide and that transpeople were not consulted (they were, the Scottish Govt. and Amnesty spoke up for them) so the judgement is not legal. Calls for sex to be made biological in the EA2010 were ignored. I fear that calls to make sex 'certified' and not 'biological' will not be. There is such hatred of women now.

Which EXACTLY proves my point that it will be difficult for trans men to decide where to go, thus making it difficult for them to use the bathroom in public spaces. Which will further disadvantage trans men who need to use public bathrooms often if they have any disabilities or health issues.

It really won't. A cafe I use frequently in London has just moved from single sex loos to 'Gender neutral' or mixed sex as I would prefer to call it. Your transmen friends just need to find one of those when they go out. You will find plenty.

If you think your point has been proved, then you are free to go ahead and think that, bless you. Never mind.

To be clear, I don't know what Laura's position is on the topic, I don't think I have ever seen her comment. However, the bookshop where she is appearing in Edinburgh is absolutely clear on their position.

In answer to your question OP, I've felt a mixture of relief, joy, trepidation and bemusement. Also huge admiration for the women who have taken the fight so far forward and won ❤Be that on the Supreme Court level or at any small local or personal level.

I think the SC decision is a victory for truth, it also has alerted so many people to what has been going on. I think the silent majority will now feel more able to express the views openly. I am hoping that this judgement pushes this movement back and it becomes the minority it really is as it has been it has had a profoundly negative impact on so many young people, vulnerable individuals and families. So my overwhelming view is this judgment brings relief and hope.

The Supreme Court has said such a ban was the intention. New legislation is likely to be called for by those who want to overturn the SC judgement.

The judgment makes clear throughout that to go on certified sex would make the whole Equality Act incomprehensible, and that it would drive a coach and horses through the protections for women, lesbian and gay people, and trans identified women in particular.

Any legislation to try and force the Equality Act to be based around certificated sex would therefore basically destroy the act, and have to be formed with the open, specific intention of destroying protections for those three other groups. I'd argue disabled people figure in there too. It would be named and discussed in those terms from the start.

I'm not saying that means they wouldn't give it a go, there's plenty arguing openly that it's more important a man expresses himself how he wants by searching a non consenting woman than caring about her equality of humanity to his. But it would be to break the Equality Act effectively, so that women cannot say no to men.

The needs of these men can fully be met in third spaces. There is no 'human right' for a man to access a non consenting woman in a state of undress. There is no 'need' a man has that requires to be met in this way.

Agreed.
It also demonstrates what a monster society has created by refusing to say no to advocates of this self centred ideology. No group is considered too young, too physically or mentally unwell, too vulnerable not to be targeted. No institution or policy free from being rewritten in order to erase the language of women and girls. Just look at the carnage of language in relation to maternity care, breastfeeding, menopause support, maternity leave, girls in schools & nurses in hospitals compelled to undress in front of males.

I've a huge sense of relief at the SC judgment along with a frustration at the determination of some to still centre the demands of these men to access women's spaces because they're sad.