What are you feeling since the judgement?

[BlessingKalmly]

A space to explore the emotions, thoughts and feelings post judgement; that Women are BORN and not worn.

A request: If TRA's join and derail, PLEASE can we totally ignore them like we might a gnat. Please let's not unfocus from us, the women who have seen this fight through to the end

Personally, I'm feeling a whole range of emotions.

I feel elated, I have that feeling like I have to almost pinch myself to remind myself that this madness has ended. I feel emboldened to speak my truth, I feel powerful in protecting my sisters. I feel slightly in shock... as if I haven't fully been able to process the madness of the past few years.... it's been constant fight, fight, fight for our rights, and only now can I stop and take stock of WHAT THE F* went on.

At the same time I feel so DEEPLY effing ANGRY at the men lamenting over not being able to give away rights that were never theirs in the first place. Men lamenting over something that has no impact on them.

I feel deep sadness and frustration that people can't seem to find a single fuck about severely disabled, or elderly women who deserve the right to truly female only care.

I feel so confused over how fucking stupid some people are, sharing memes and propaganda without ZERO understanding of how the Equality Act works or what any of this means in practice.

I feel so deeply thankful that our justice system remains strong, and a beacon of sense a truth in what feels like times of madness.

I feel like I could facepalm myself into oblivion, watching trans-maidens totally disregard their sisters and pander over men's rights.

What about you?

I feel it's the beginning of the end of this nonsense too. A great article by Trevor Phillips (today in the Times) has this subtitle 'The dangers of our leaders allowing themselves to be gaslit into declaring black is white and white is black are not over'. It's not over but policies are under review and if organisations wish to be pro trans and anti women in future (picking a side as it were in PC tradeoffs) then they will need to review these policies with lawyers. And with reference to the law. It's been the case for so long that you are not allowed to think that trans rights may not be rights at all. Just demands.

In the Times article Trevor Phillips makes it clear that he felt he (and others) were deceived by activists. There will be many organisations whose management are about to find out that they have been deceived too. They are exposed to risk because of poor advice. They will be asking questions.

I recall that some of the SC judges were understood to be pro-trans and this came across in some of their questioning (the answers must have changed their minds?) People do not like to be lied to. They especially don't like having acted 'kindly' and been taken advantage of. I hope that many in leadership positions come to the realisation that Trevor Phillips has.

Relief at the sensible clarification.
Trepidation as to what politicians and others in positions of power may do next. I sincerely hope they listen to women and don’t hand the likes of bloody Reform easy wins.
Annoyance at the idiocy of the protesters.

My thumb is swollen from furiously liking posts all over X to show solidarity with those women who’ve taken the flak over the years to get us to this point.
i am also sickened by the men I know who keep spouting this bollocks about standing by ‘vulnerable’ trans people and knowing that the ‘trans’ people they know are M to F, not F to M who I truly believe are vulnerable as they are women and more likely to be attacked.
I’m gratified that I’m able to share posts with friends, including gay male friends, and we all feel angry and baffled at the march on Saturday. I saw some of them, wet Nellies of lads that would have been harmless EMOs a few years back, now radicalised to hate women.
it’s going to take 5-10 years until we see those younger ones posting ‘ my god what was I thinking!’ - I’ve already seen in my circle a few young people whose parents posted proudly about them being their son/daughter around mid teens maybe 6/7 years basic, they’ve done quiet and I see from photos they have quietly reverted to living as their biological sex.
lots if damage done in the mean time.

I was surprised and thrilled at the judgement. The subsequent response from TRAs and their supportive organisations/businesses has laid bare exactly what this nonsense is all based on. TRAs want us eradicated, it really is misogyny in a dress.

No you’re not evil. If you asked me 7/8 years ago I’d have been all ‘wow they’re a small community, let people change their birth certificate if it makes there lives easier’
I went to Pride around that time and was bagged as to why some Lesbians were holding what I thought was anti-trans placards. Then bit by bit we were fed all this stuff about ‘women’ committing horrific crimes. Then it was a flood of jaw dropping stuff and I then did a full 180 in this, and I brought along my friends and daughters.

So, no you’re not evil the people shouting out anti women rhetoric on the marches and social media ARE in the majority and I knowing that watching and listening and reading outside of that.

Slightly confused by the idea it's super hard to tell men and women apart and expect people to use sexed facilities according to their actual sex rather than what clothing they've put on that day. I'm pretty sure we managed fine before men decided that they had a right to do whatever they fancy and women who liked traditionally masculine clothes weren't attacked every time they entered the ladies.

I was absolutely staggered by the judgement. I couldn’t believe the way it went, I had been bracing myself for the worst. At the very best I thought we’d be in the middle somewhere, with some waffly words of reassurance from the judges but nothing concrete to cling on to.

The sheer clarity of the judgement was joyous but I am frustrated now that so many people still don’t, or won’t, get it. Many people will double down now - and trans rights activists will only get more militant - but those on the fence, or who haven’t given it much thought, may start to come round.

We might never be able to change people’s minds about what a woman is. One thing’s for sure though, we now have the law on our side. This is vindication and we must take comfort from that.

Thank you FWS and thanks to JKR and Glinner and everyone else who has ever stood up for women. Sex matters and cannot be overridden by gender identity. You can’t protect women as a sex class if men can declare themselves to be literally women. You can’t keep men out of women’s prisons, sports, changing rooms, rape crisis centres etc, if men can be treated as having literally turned into women. Transwomen are male people who are perfectly entitled to present themselves as female if it makes them feel more comfortable in life, but they are not literally female. This is really important for women as a sex class.

Women’s rights are not hateful or bigoted, they are human rights. Trans people remain protected under the Equality Act.

There's just such a black and white view. People yelling that trans rights are human rights etc. I KNOW and I AGREE but also, they are not female. I'm not trying to take anyone's human rights away, no one is.

But this lack of shades of grey is presumably how we ended up here - you can't be a male who likes pink, you must be a lady! You can't be a woman who prefers her hair short, you must be non binary at the very least!

TLDR: renewed faith in the legal system, deep suspicion of who I can trust now.

I feel absolutely on steady ground now my sex category is protected in law and that (thanks to the Forstater judgment) my belief in sex being real is also secure.
So that’s great!

On the other hand, the generally abysmal reaction on broadcast and social media and from politicians and organisations (focus on the the sufferings of men, rather than the injustice to women) reinforces how deeply misogynistic a society we live in. Mostly we can kid ourselves it’s not, but this has really shown who’s important in public discourse - not women.
So that’s really depressing.

But on the other hand, no change there. And as a pp said above, what we see reflected in the media doesn’t necessarily represent what must of us think. And there have been some fabulous commentators/ politicians/ organisations speaking up for women.

But I am left deeply distrustful of literally hundreds of companies, organisations and public figures who cannot conceive of women as whole human beings. I’m not just thinking of silly celebrities (Bragg, Coughlan, Tennant and on and on) - but of the once serious organisations who have betrayed women - the Lancet, the FCA, the BMA, Scientific American, the banks (Jesus, why the banks? All I want you to do is look after my money), charities such as Amnesty and Samaritans (for a charity which has strict reporting guidelines on suicide it is very free with claiming disproportionate risk, using very shonky studies, for the trans population), the ideologues creating court and police guidance, all the companies prepared to corrupt their databases to collect gender rather than sex data - I could go on.

It’s left me feeling I live in a society where I can’t trust much any more.

I've been through a similar mix of emotions. Initial disbelief and relief about the ruling. But since then, I can't stop thinking about how things would be so different had they decided against biological sex. How close we were to that, how easy it would have been for them to decide that. I'm back to feeling a little fearful. The ruling, in the public arena, hasn't been about us, but about them, and it's made them angry. It's left me wondering what it must have been like when it became unlawful for a husband to beat or rape his wife. I'm guessing there was similar public backlash, similar absence of general public celebration, similar downplaying of what it meant to women. I'm thrilled though, that language makes sense. That it will now be clear whether a space or intervention is single sex or not.

I read another poster on another thread talking about how great it would be if we could all turn out to overwhelm by our sheer number the tra protests, but how frightening that would be, and I share the sentiment.

amended and saying it loudly!

people shouting out anti women rhetoric on the marches and social media ARE NOT in the majority and I know that watching and listening and reading outside of that.

I went to an Easter meal yesterday and the teenage (lesbian) daughter of a friend suddenly had a meltdown, shrieking and crying about how unfair and 'fascist' the Supreme Court decision is 🙄I calmly asked her what the decision meant and how it was 'fascist' and she finally admitted "I don't know what happened or what it means but I know it's wrong". I just asked her why she was crying if she didn't know what it was about and she finally shut up.

In that moment, she seemed to encapsulate all the morons who've been peddling this for years. It's nonsensical - and I hope that now the court has ruled it'll quietly start to fade away. I think (hope) that it will quickly become embarrassing as many of these things are. I think the key difference with the trans movement is that it's based on a series of lies - and everyone knows they are lies. Now the court has ruled what everyone knows to be true, it will become increasingly embarrassing to try and prop up this rubbish.

And I couldn't give tinker's cuss about the feelings of sad men in bad dresses.

Still elated; unsurprised by the opposition; happy to know that we don’t have to do the hard work in the face of made up law, but with the support of the actual law. Whatever the desperate misogynists claim, this is a big win for feminism.

Anger actually

WHY are the police doing nothing about the death threats and the vandalism

WHY is the NHS allowed to say they won't comply with the law

WHY is our prime minister such a weak leader he should be backing this it's the law

Feel relief that when push comes to shove the law comes down on the side of common sense and that people do stand up for what’s right.

at the same time absolute frustration at those who still don’t get it, esp the women who just don’t get what they’re backing, who would rather bow down to the whims of men than protect women. Got chucked out a Facebook group yesterday one that has nothing to do with trans, but they insisted on a long post about how everyone was welcome. Well it turns out everyone doesn’t include people who want to bring balance and say for some it’s good news like women who have been raped who want single sex support groups.

I worked in journalism for a long time (not any more) and REALLY want them to start accurately reporting the sex of criminals. It drives me insane.

Another thought, I am hoping this means the TRAs will have lost a lot of their power. I am hoping no serious politicians or parties (greens - you are not a serious party) will be able to continue to support the sexist TRA crap that they have been in the past ten years. Ditto public bodies will not be able to support it in the way they have either.

Having lost their power bases and the support that comes with it, I am hoping the extreme demands of TRAs will die out for lack of oxygen.

I am also hoping Stonewall will quietly lose more support and business from public and private bodies having been comprehensively shown to have been providing wrong legal information that's led public bodies to expensive and unnecessary court cases that they lose.

I am also really pleased that when something is advertised as woman only that I will feel confident to ask if it really is women only, as defined under the Equality Act.

I've lost a lot of respect for humans, their stupidity and cowardice has astounded me. I didn't realise people were so easily led by something so clearly false. I've lost trust in the government, the police, the NHS, education, the public sector, mainstream media, etc

@Shadowsunray I really hear you. I feel exactly the same. I had long ago realised that humans were more social and emotional animals than rational, but I never in a million years realised just how devastatingly right I was about that! That so many people, so many governments in so many countries, could be led to support something so obviously and manifestly untrue, and something so obviously and manifestly harmful to women and girls has really blindsided me.

Yes, this. Ffs call them tw or tm if they must but then inform the reader of the person's actual sex. It's not that hard. They do it with X(formerly twitter) and it's been ages.

Elated.

& then, 5 minutes later, I opened FB - I move in a lot of goth/alternative circles - & frankly, some of the swivel eyed frothing RAGE from people I've been mates with for 30 years was 😱.

So I'm keeping very very quiet.

Pretty sure this is an extinction burst. It'll pan out like the end of The Truman Show or Game of Thrones...lots of screaming abdabs & then everyone bar a few total nutters, calms the fuck down & switches channels/goes back to arguing about the tax on Dornish apricots.

I hope 🤞!

I do think we've won a huge victory for common sense, & it's a case of keeping calm & letting the piss protestors demonstrate exactly who they are.

& then, 5 minutes later, I opened FB - I move in a lot of goth/alternative circles - & frankly, some of the swivel eyed frothing RAGE from people

same! Someone posted “why would TW bother to transition to rape someone when rapists are treated better than TW” and I just couldn’t with the mind boggling utter crassness and stupidity

Perhaps we know the same people! There’s one man on my feed and he’s the most rabid, self-aggrandising twat there is, I socialise in the same circles as him. Anyway, he’s been posting loads of photos of himself on his page - he has thousands of ‘friends’ on FB but only a handful of likes on these posts. He always links it back to him, surprised he hasn’t posted about his links to the Pope today!

Relieved.

Also, in the past few days with the "only good terf is a dead terf" and "I'm going to piss on terfs" stuff at the trans 'rights' protests, somewhat smug. It's been a little harder for my "but they just want to live their lives don't be so mean" acquaintances to continue to insist that the trans community is just vulnerable little poppets desperately afraid and inherently peaceful in the face of that.

Actually, I’m furious. I left another online group after the handmaidens descended on me for being a TERF. It was Deadwood (well, the FB group after the online forum stopped working) and I really loved that community. I want an apology from all of those women who cheerfully threw others under the bus, with vitriol and outrage, who accused us of all sorts, because we were fucking RIGHT. And also from those who kept quiet, even when you knew they realised the whole thing stank like week old fish.