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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What are you feeling since the judgement?

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BlessingKalmly · 20/04/2025 15:59

A space to explore the emotions, thoughts and feelings post judgement; that Women are BORN and not worn.

A request: If TRA's join and derail, PLEASE can we totally ignore them like we might a gnat. Please let's not unfocus from us, the women who have seen this fight through to the end

Personally, I'm feeling a whole range of emotions.

I feel elated, I have that feeling like I have to almost pinch myself to remind myself that this madness has ended. I feel emboldened to speak my truth, I feel powerful in protecting my sisters. I feel slightly in shock... as if I haven't fully been able to process the madness of the past few years.... it's been constant fight, fight, fight for our rights, and only now can I stop and take stock of WHAT THE F* went on.

At the same time I feel so DEEPLY effing ANGRY at the men lamenting over not being able to give away rights that were never theirs in the first place. Men lamenting over something that has no impact on them.

I feel deep sadness and frustration that people can't seem to find a single fuck about severely disabled, or elderly women who deserve the right to truly female only care.

I feel so confused over how fucking stupid some people are, sharing memes and propaganda without ZERO understanding of how the Equality Act works or what any of this means in practice.

I feel so deeply thankful that our justice system remains strong, and a beacon of sense a truth in what feels like times of madness.

I feel like I could facepalm myself into oblivion, watching trans-maidens totally disregard their sisters and pander over men's rights.

What about you?

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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 20/04/2025 20:25

Peregrina · 20/04/2025 20:15

But I don't think a blanket ban on trans women in women's spaces is fair or socially sustainable, nor do I think it was the intention when the Equality Act was passed.

Perhaps then fully tighten up the Gender Recognition Act. Rewrite it to make it clear that gender does not equal sex and make the guidelines for getting one very strict, and then perhaps make some genuine exceptions for those relatively few people involved. I think the judgement gave a number for those who had one which was somewhere between 8- 9000. Which is not many in a country of 65 million.

But the voyeurs, rapists and those getting a sexual thrill from it all can certainly stay banned from women's spaces.

That won't work because the ability of even one male to enter makes it very hard to keep the ones who aren't allowed to enter out.

HermioneWeasley · 20/04/2025 20:26

I felt surprise then triumph then relief and then disbelief at the testerical doubling down and performant I’ve hand maidens doubling down on their dick pandering . I feel contempt for so many people - politicians, lobbyists, individuals who think it’s disgusting that women can now access female only rape support.

i feel done. We’ve won. Anything now is the death throes of a dying cult. I’m not entertaining nonsense or pussy footing around any more. Trans woman are men - the law says so

LovelySG · 20/04/2025 20:29

Initially completely wowed that common sense and facts have prevailed. Bit euphoric.

Now, a bit apprehensive about how trans rights activists are making this all about them - this gobby, aggressive minority - rather than women. Worried about the backlash and how it will all play out.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 20/04/2025 20:29

women who have seen this fight through to the end

I feel that it's not the end, but the beginning. We will need to now challenge all the captured institutions whilst keeping a close eye on Friday morning Parliamentary sessions in case some activist MP tries to slip an amendment to the Equality Act in, and on UK cases going to the European Court of Human Rights.

Beebop2025 · 20/04/2025 21:01

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 20/04/2025 20:24

But I don't think a blanket ban on trans women in women's spaces is fair or socially sustainable

Yes it is. It's far fairer and more sustainable than a situation where women don't have the certainty that "women's gym" means "no penises".

Exactly. It’s the beginning - I feel slightly better knowing that even if it goes to then ECHR then the UK is not obliged to act on it. They will need to change the law in parliament and they need a massive majority to do it.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/04/2025 21:07

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 20/04/2025 20:29

women who have seen this fight through to the end

I feel that it's not the end, but the beginning. We will need to now challenge all the captured institutions whilst keeping a close eye on Friday morning Parliamentary sessions in case some activist MP tries to slip an amendment to the Equality Act in, and on UK cases going to the European Court of Human Rights.

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Agreed.
This was a total confirmation of what women have been saying all along. Did all those protesters understand that they were protesting againt lesbians and gay men having the right to pursue same sex relationships and association? And women being allowed to participate in same sex sports etc? It seemed to be an unthinking celebration of misogyny and I suspect that the photos of all the death threats aimed at women along with the unhinged ramblings of extreme transactivists may help some people wonder what they got caught up in.

Aggressive coercive men are a feature of many women's lives . Everyone's been exposed to that aggression via the protests - both online and in real life. But.... all the wondeful women (and men) who have stood up and spoken out are still here - and leading the charge to ensure that Stonewall law will be removed. The transactivists in the government, civil service etc are compeletly exposed. They'll not be able to do any more deals behind closed doors - no matter how powerful they used to be with their anti women rhetoric.
The SC has been a game changer.

We can do this. Flowers

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 20/04/2025 21:14

I’m somewhat bemused about trans men. Deathly silence until now we are all supposed to be terrified of the 5ft bearded lady in the loos like they are all now 6ft sex offenders instead of women who have been sold a lie. I don’t mean to offend any trans men. I totally get why some women reject womanhood in this world.

Itdoesntendwellatall · 20/04/2025 21:20

maximalistmaximus · 20/04/2025 16:23

Shock then relief the dread then reality now sorrow.

so many angry men out there & so many handmaidens.

I didn’t feel scared last week, I do now

This.

Plus a fear for the future as I don't think this is over by a long shot.

Shadowsunray · 20/04/2025 21:31

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/04/2025 20:05

I feel the same, we are a rotten species, fatally flawed, selfish, gullible, vain, stupid, vindictive and clueless most of the time.

But I think of the Suffragettes, they took on society, they face the wrath, they suffered the wrath, but they stood their ground and in the end it was society that changed. Just like Wilberforce and the Abolitionists who fought to end slavery, and many others through out time, they ended up changing society, society didn't change them It’s how humans improve, get better at being human, it’s not the good times that bring out the best in us but the worse times.
These past decades have definitely been the worse times, and it’s likely they’re not over yet but there is a way forward, even if most of us have to be led by the hand.

But I'm with you I really don't like humans right now.

Thank you, I needed that!! There has been such courage, strength and unity shown by so many. I need to switch my focus. 💛

VanishingVision · 20/04/2025 21:32

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 20/04/2025 21:14

I’m somewhat bemused about trans men. Deathly silence until now we are all supposed to be terrified of the 5ft bearded lady in the loos like they are all now 6ft sex offenders instead of women who have been sold a lie. I don’t mean to offend any trans men. I totally get why some women reject womanhood in this world.

Isn't it interesting how the main narrative has been about TW in women's spaces and now I'm seeing much more about TM in women's spaces? Despite TM being entirely left out until now by the mainstream trans rights narrative in almost every way.

Lovelysummerdays · 21/04/2025 06:39

VanishingVision · 20/04/2025 21:32

Isn't it interesting how the main narrative has been about TW in women's spaces and now I'm seeing much more about TM in women's spaces? Despite TM being entirely left out until now by the mainstream trans rights narrative in almost every way.

I’d agree with this. It’s always transwomen who are touted as stunning and brave. For example the celebration of dylan mulvaney (sp) for essentially cosplaying a ridiculous caricature of woman. Are there any equivalent trans men being feted.

clarabenton · 21/04/2025 07:20

I was - and still am - elated, but also depressed by the number of mainly women in my networks who are ‘outraged’, ‘devastated’, and ‘ashamed’ by the ruling that secures their rights to safety and dignity and fairness, I just despair. Also depressed by the fact that in 2025 Britain men can take to the streets in demonstrations that call for violence against women and urinate on statues of women and face no consequences.

But also heartened by all the wonderful, brave women who have fought and will fight still for women’s rights.

SidewaysOtter · 21/04/2025 07:49

Hugely relieved coupled with a feeling that we can now be more open about what we've been fighting for and why. I’ve had several conversations with people this weekend where I’ve been able to explain our stance and it’s met understanding, or where I’ve found others who feel as I do (yay!)

Yea, there’s disappointment at the organisations that have doubled down but they probably feel they have to. The need to virtue signal has been drilled into them. And of course there’s the protests.

But there’s a deafening silence from many who haven’t come out in support of “trans rights” - while it might have been nice for them to support women, that they haven’t said anything at all speaks volumes. And of course the protesters have shot themselves in both feet with their violently misogynistic banners - Operation Let Them Speak at its finest. Anyone on the fence will be helped down by those splattered across the Sunday papers!

And now I just feel ready to go again, as a PP said. The fight isn’t over yet but we’re no longer battling with one hand tied behind our backs. We have the law on our side and by Jove we’re going to use it.

FortyElephants · 21/04/2025 08:01

I don't think the judgement is the end of the TRA movement but I do think it represents the end. I was fearful that we might lose but to win so comprehensively has reassured me that the movement is on the way out. It feels like we lost our way as a society in the early 2000s but nobody knew. I had no idea what the GRA was and it was around ten years ago that the impact of the law and social activism became apparent. Women have spent the last decade fighting back and this feels like a culmination of that fight. There are many small fights to go, but I am reassured that kids and teenagers growing up now aren't being exposed to the propaganda in the way they were in the past 2 decades. Without grassroots support the movement will shrink.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/04/2025 08:03

Not to go all 'darkest hour' but perhaps this is a Churchill moment

“Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”

springsprungsprang · 21/04/2025 08:07

I feel sort of vaguely irritated I think.

When I first read the judgement I thought "well, obviously". I always thought it was clear what the EA meant. It seemed obvious the protected characteristic was sex because in common language sex means biological sex and gender means identity/social role, hence gender recognition act etc.

What is irksome is the way the judgement is being wildly misrepresented and misinterpreted everywhere.

E.g. "loads of trans women are about to be raped in men's prison." No that's not what this means! Prison policy already considers biological sex and 99% of trans prisoners are housed according to their biological sex.

"Trans people won't be able to use the toilet of their acquired gender" no that's not what this means. Lots of places will probably just continue as they were. All this means is that in high risk places, e.g. refuges, single-sex bathrooms can be for biological sex only. Where it is a proportionate means to achieve a legitimate aim.

"Taking rights from trans people/changed the meaning of woman". Literally cleared up in about the second paragraph.

I do think that political sensitivity around this may mean we see a reduction of single sex services and spaces as it will be seen that providing them is transphobic.

Brainworm · 21/04/2025 08:10

I remain relieved and delighted with the SC ruling. It provides a clear foundation for single sex provision.

I am not surprised, but am disappointed, in the publicised reaction - but remind myself that what is being played out on social media and the mainstream media isn’t representative of public opinion ‘at large’.

The TRA strategy of influencing organisations and policy makers, outside of the public eye, has been going on for around 15 years (according to Stephen Whittle). They have not been exposed to calm and rationale critique of information that had been presented without challenge. As/when they do - and they now need to, as the law has been clarified as being different to their current understanding, they are likely to see things differently. However, until they engage with all arguments/ positions, they are unlikely to change their stance. Few would.

Until TRAs give up on positioning trans inclusion being dependent on including males in the female category, we will continue to see ugly opposition that is harmful to swathes of vulnerable individuals who make sense of their distress / difference through having a trans identity. The best thing for this group of people would be the establishment of an effective charity/advocacy organisation that works to find solutions that actually help them.

Brainworm · 21/04/2025 08:19

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/04/2025 08:03

Not to go all 'darkest hour' but perhaps this is a Churchill moment

“Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”

I think this is the beginning of the end of the TRA’s success in land grabbing through their stealth agenda to replace sex based categories with gender identity based categories. They got as far as they could, and now a line has been drawn and they will continue to lose the ground they won. Their belief that by the time the public caught on, there would be no going back, didn’t come to fruition. The general public, en masse, will not buy what they are selling.

I don’t think this is the beginning of the end of the misogyny that fuels the TRA movement, nor of the confusion they sew in terms of the ‘harms’ done if/when provision doesn’t include affirmation of identity.

bathofbeans · 21/04/2025 08:24

I feel scared at how aggressive and threatening the male pro-trans protestors have been.

It has made me fearful of men who are trans.

springsprungsprang · 21/04/2025 08:32

VanishingVision · 20/04/2025 21:32

Isn't it interesting how the main narrative has been about TW in women's spaces and now I'm seeing much more about TM in women's spaces? Despite TM being entirely left out until now by the mainstream trans rights narrative in almost every way.

Men have never been expected to be accommodating. I also doubt that trans men are as keen to enter those spaces.

EasternStandard · 21/04/2025 08:38

Good, relieved but now concerned that Labour, along with Starmer, will try to step in and overturn Baroness Falkner.

Also annoyed at all those who worked against women including some posters on here.

Also agree the violence from men on this makes me want to preserve single sex spaces. It’s being ignored politically too.

springsprungsprang · 21/04/2025 08:40

@VanishingVision I know quite a lot more trans men than trans women. I know about 5 trans men very well. All of them separately identify as trans men, rather than simply as men. That is to say, they include 'trans' as part of their identity.

My trans men friends have also spoken to me about how they understand and stand against mysogeny because they experienced it growing up.

I think it's a shame we don't hear more of their voices, but instead hear this one narrative about how TWAW, when I think most trans men I know would say trans men are trans men.

Yddraigoldragon · 21/04/2025 08:43

Elated at the verdict, am in Wales so there is a long way to go to return to normality. I have a concern about pushback, individuals ‘testing’ provisions, being obnoxious about using single sex facilities etc. I think we need to be wary in the coming weeks/months.

Viviennemary · 21/04/2025 08:46

It's good a sensible decision was made. But not good all the ifs and buts. Folk saying its not clear, it discriminates and organisations don't have to follow it anyway.

CocoPlum · 21/04/2025 08:47

Frustrated at all the people I follow online who post TWAW etc.
Confused when I see multiple people doing this, especially those I respect, and wonder am I right? Am I actually evil?