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Politicians respond to the SC judgement

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ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 10:59

A thread to gather politicians' responses to yesterday's Supreme Court judgement.

  1. Stella Creasy. She's rather unhelpfully posted a pdf, (and turned off replies), so archive below.

https://archive.ph/8T1Yl

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

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RedToothBrush · 17/04/2025 20:39

ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 11:17

Zack Polanski

'Trans rights are human rights. Today. And everyday. Solidarity. '
[trans flag]

https://x.com/ZackPolanski/status/1912444332172365842

Yes. They are.

So are women's rights. And women also have a right to privacy and dignity. That's why trans people can't share single sex facilities with the opposite sex. Trans people have exactly the same rights today as they did in 2010. Nothing has actually changed.

I'm glad we agree that human rights are important.

Lovelyview · 17/04/2025 20:44

https://www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk/news/opinion/political-opinion-mary-glindon-mp-supreme-court-ruling-on-womens-rights-welcome-5088880

Yay for North Tyneside Labour MP Mary Glindon.
'The poisonous polarisation is finally over. Women’s rights are rightly fully protected. Transwomen and transmen have the right to be treated fairly. We should now move on to make sure all are respected.'

RedToothBrush · 17/04/2025 20:44

ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 17:10

'I have found the past 24 hours incredibly difficult. Too many people I know are now afraid of what the Supreme Court judgement will mean for them. We need clarity, and we need to work to ensure their rights will be protected. We must base the solution in compassion.'

Christine Jardine

Newsflash Christine

Just because people don't like the ruling doesn't mean there is a lack of clarity. The ruling was precisely to bring clarity.

I'm sorry that understanding biology is such a difficult subject for you.

Now how are babies made again?

RedToothBrush · 17/04/2025 20:45

Lovelyview · 17/04/2025 20:44

https://www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk/news/opinion/political-opinion-mary-glindon-mp-supreme-court-ruling-on-womens-rights-welcome-5088880

Yay for North Tyneside Labour MP Mary Glindon.
'The poisonous polarisation is finally over. Women’s rights are rightly fully protected. Transwomen and transmen have the right to be treated fairly. We should now move on to make sure all are respected.'

Red wall labour politician in the north who I've never heard of and who has never previously spoken up suddenly finds a backbone takes the 'common sense' angle.

RedToothBrush · 17/04/2025 20:46

Beowulfa · 17/04/2025 19:04

Apart from the JKR pic this is a really fucking depressing thread (I mean, thanks though, Arabella).

On this basis all Reform have to do to win the next election is for Farage to post a pic of himself grinning with a pint in Union flag socks saying "yeah I know I can't be arsed with all that meeting my constituents shit, but at least I never pretended a bloke is a woman."

This pretty much sums things up doesn't it?

Utterly fucking depressing.

Mylovelygreendress · 17/04/2025 20:50

Has Starmer made a comment ?

Winterwonders24 · 17/04/2025 20:56

ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 19:26

I'm not so sure tbh.

Note that most of the government have been silent on the issue.

Yes,but does that mean they'll try to find a way to not let the full impact be felt across all the captured bodies? I can't imagine they could,but I seriously don't trust Stammer as he has the Marx approach to principles...Groucho: "these are my principles: of you don't like them I have others".

BingBongSong · 17/04/2025 20:57

Kim Johnson, Labour MP for Liverpool Riverside.

https://x.com/KimJohnsonMP/status/1912788601278022059

She's not my MP, mine hasn't mentioned yesterday's ruling.

Politicians respond to the SC judgement
fromorbit · 17/04/2025 21:03

RedToothBrush · 17/04/2025 20:45

Red wall labour politician in the north who I've never heard of and who has never previously spoken up suddenly finds a backbone takes the 'common sense' angle.

Mary Glindon has been one of the few open MP supporters of Labour Women's Declaration for years to be fair.

This from 2022:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/31/labour-mps-back-gender-critical-group-after-conference-snub

Labour MPs back gender-critical group after conference snub

MP and peers urge party to reconsider decision to reject request from Labour Women’s Declaration group

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/31/labour-mps-back-gender-critical-group-after-conference-snub

RedToothBrush · 17/04/2025 21:04

BingBongSong · 17/04/2025 20:57

Kim Johnson, Labour MP for Liverpool Riverside.

https://x.com/KimJohnsonMP/status/1912788601278022059

She's not my MP, mine hasn't mentioned yesterday's ruling.

Ah so now we have cave transwomen now do we?

RedToothBrush · 17/04/2025 21:08

BingBongSong · 17/04/2025 20:57

Kim Johnson, Labour MP for Liverpool Riverside.

https://x.com/KimJohnsonMP/status/1912788601278022059

She's not my MP, mine hasn't mentioned yesterday's ruling.

Every Labour MP who says shite like this needs to be reminded that the current law was written by the previous labour government, especially the ones that go on about the ruling being fascist...

The law has not changed.

SeaStoat · 17/04/2025 21:08

And from the Republic of Ireland we have David Cullinane TD, Sinn Fein’s health spokesperson in the Republic apologising after initially welcoming the UK Supreme Court ruling. archive.ph/sbvLP

At Stormont, DUP MP Carla Lockhart declared it “a victory for common sense”.

TUV MLA Timothy Gaston said "The funding of Stonewall – which receives public money both via the Sinn Fein-led Department of Finance and the Sinn Fein and DUP-led Executive Office – must cease.
Policy documents such as the Inclusive Language Guide which was produced by the Finance Department and seeks to discourage the use of words such as mother, wife and girlfriend must be withdrawn."

UUP’s justice spokesman Doug Beattie MLA said the ruling “raises several questions” for Northern Ireland – such as, for example, “does it mean that women held in a woman’s prison can take a legal case against the Department of Justice and the Northern Ireland Prison Service, under our equality legislation, if someone who is transgender is placed within her prison accommodation wing?”
He added that “those from the transgender community exist, and this ruling does not take away their rights as a protected group, but it does make it clear that they are transgender, not women”.

https://archive.ph/DtF55

Follow David Thompson, who produced the Stephen Nolan BBC radio series on Stonewall, on X at @NewsLetter_Pols for more Northern Irish reporting. NI has it's own equality legislation, not the Equality Act.

I'm looking forward to what the Alliance and nationalist MLA members of the Executive Office (TEO) committee, who were extremely hostile to the Women's Rights Network NI members who gave evidence on women's rights and single sex spaces in the TEO inquiry into gaps in equality legislation, will say. https://archive.ph/Gorbf

RedToothBrush · 17/04/2025 21:09

fromorbit · 17/04/2025 21:03

Mary Glindon has been one of the few open MP supporters of Labour Women's Declaration for years to be fair.

This from 2022:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/31/labour-mps-back-gender-critical-group-after-conference-snub

Fair enough. Wasn't aware of her.

I am more than a little jaded by the fuck witted self serving bullshit coming from politicians from all camps on this though.

AngelinaFibres · 17/04/2025 21:10

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/04/2025 11:07

The Greens are quite simply, insane 🤦‍♀️

They're absolute fools

AngelinaFibres · 17/04/2025 21:21

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 17/04/2025 12:02

Labour and the SNP have been veeeeery quiet on this ruling.

Are there trying to pretend it didn't happen or desperately trying to come up with a spin on it?

Probably trying to make Keir Starmers comment that some women have penises disappear since the supreme Court said loud and clear that they do not.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 21:27

ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 11:12

Zarah Sultana

'Solidarity with trans women after today’s Supreme Court ruling. The rollback of LGBT rights — especially trans rights — is global, bankrolled by billionaires and the far-right. Trans rights are human rights. We must defend the Equality Act and its protections for trans people.'

https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1912486527352840220

https://archive.ph/wip/RmrYw

Oh do fuck off Zarah. The credit for this belongs to the women who wouldn't wheesht, not to Nazis and billionaires.

OvaHere · 17/04/2025 21:28

lcakethereforeIam · 17/04/2025 21:03

Glorious as usual from O'Neill. I wish newspapers like The Times could be as blunt, scathing and to the point.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 21:29

ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 11:16

John McDonnell

'The fact the court failed to hear the voice of a single trans person may help explain why today’s decision lacked humanity & fairness & instead replaced them with a narrow definition of the Equality Act. There has to be a better & empathetic way forward that respects trans rights'

https://x.com/johnmcdonnellMP/status/1912526198602662157

https://archive.ph/wip/5uJM9

Imagine being so arrogant that you think that the UK's most senior judges collectively misinterpreted one of the UK's most important pieces of legislation and that you and your blue haired friends know better.

BunfightBetty · 17/04/2025 21:31

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 21:29

Imagine being so arrogant that you think that the UK's most senior judges collectively misinterpreted one of the UK's most important pieces of legislation and that you and your blue haired friends know better.

I know. He’s always been an arrogant shit, tbf.

lcakethereforeIam · 17/04/2025 21:34

RedToothBrush · 17/04/2025 21:04

Ah so now we have cave transwomen now do we?

Yes, the netranderthals.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 21:34

GwenogJones · 17/04/2025 11:54

Has everyone seen this gem?

A movement calls itself “Save The Whale.”
Nearly everyone thinks yeah, I’m all for that

“We will achieve this by killing Japanese people.”
This is ‘Women’s Rights’ - GC style.

Not from a politician but from the mind of the one and only India Willoughby
https://archive.ph/Fs2mi archived here

He really is completely lacking in any kind of self awareness, isn't he?

What a bell end.

EasternStandard · 17/04/2025 21:39

Reading some of this stuff I’ll be so glad if they get voted out.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 21:40

Ingenieur · 17/04/2025 13:09

Well done Karin!

And yes, Theresa May would have brought in Self-ID if Brexit hadn't prematurely ended her premiership.

The Tories need to shoulder the blame for squandering their majority on this matter.

Oh, have we finally found a Brexit benefit?

Apologies to Jacob Rees-Mogg.

🤣🤣🤣

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 21:42

ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 15:48

Kate Osborne, Labour.

Retweeted 'Labour for Trans Rights'

https://x.com/Lab4TransRights/status/1912444326434439466

And publishes this:

https://labourlist.org/2025/04/supreme-court-trans-rights-labour/

'Sex refers to biological attributes, and there are cases where spaces or services must be organised according to sex. But gender relates to social identity, presentation and perception of others , and often, dignity and protection must be afforded based on how a person is perceived in social terms.
For most people, sex and gender align — but for others, they do not, and the law must be equipped to deal with this distinction and these cases.'

Which cases does she put in the former category, and which in the latter, I wonder? She's talking about passing, isn't she?

That's all very interesting, Kate, but gender isn't a protected characteristic and is therefore completely fucking irrelevant to the application of the Equality Act.