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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Aren’t the front pages and headlines glorious!

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SameyMcNameChange · 17/04/2025 07:23

I know there is a fair amount of bandwagon jumping, but it feels like the newspapers have finally read the room and realised that the SC ruling is welcomed by FAR more people than it disappoints. And so the front pages have smiling faces and headlines that would never have been published before.

Even, for example, the Metro which has had a pretty shocking record before has a pretty clear headline and a picture of smiling women.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czd3jg60q4no

Front pages of The Times and the Daily Mail for 17 April

Newspaper headlines: 'Victory for women' and 'equity policies in chaos'

Thursday's front pages lead on the Supreme Court's ruling that a woman is defined by biological sex under equalities law.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czd3jg60q4no

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TheOtherRaven · 18/04/2025 22:43

The absolute irony.... 'lack of empathy'..... to women who have had nothing, zero, zilch in all the impact on them. 'Reframe your trauma' they were told. 'Learn to cope'. 'Die mad'.

And to mention rape..... fgs women have been raped by giving men these ridiculous entitlements over women! They didn't 'feel like it' through legal decisions that went against them (and women have been bloody drowning in those for years!) , it actually happened to them!

Igneococcus · 18/04/2025 22:46

TheOtherRaven · 18/04/2025 22:43

The absolute irony.... 'lack of empathy'..... to women who have had nothing, zero, zilch in all the impact on them. 'Reframe your trauma' they were told. 'Learn to cope'. 'Die mad'.

And to mention rape..... fgs women have been raped by giving men these ridiculous entitlements over women! They didn't 'feel like it' through legal decisions that went against them (and women have been bloody drowning in those for years!) , it actually happened to them!

Edited

Also "enjoy your erasure".

napody · 18/04/2025 22:49

Igneococcus · 18/04/2025 20:26

I'm not sure where to put this, I don't want to open yet another thread, so I'm putting it here. Janice Turner in the Times:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/dbc9adf5-7e8b-46c6-8c99-637a89ee67a0?shareToken=17b2e61a219e2b880e154185ab7bc64c

This is fantastic.

Is there an ironic nod to Graham Linehan in the structure: Father Ted's 'and now, we move on to liars' speech?! Hope so.

Datun · 18/04/2025 22:49

It's deliberate Raven, it's just to wind you up

take heart from Brendan O'Neill

The men who demanded that women throw open their changing rooms, refuges, swimming pools and sports to any bloke who fancied waltzing in are now blubbing that they’ll have to share spaces with those very same blokes. Honestly, what these people lack in XX chromosomes they more than make up for with brass neck.

And

For while this noisy orgy of self-pity might doll itself up as a cry for civil rights, in truth it’s the death rattle of trans activism’s neo-misogyny. They know the jig is up, or very nearly up. They know the days are over when people with penises could say ‘I’m a woman!’ and get a nod of approval rather than a one-way ticket to the nuthouse

The sight of angry men bashing their keyboards in fury at the uppity bitches who went to the Supreme Court has exposed the truth about the trans lobby – it’s a men’s rights movement in drag.

Jackreacherstrousers · 18/04/2025 22:56

OneGreatReader · 18/04/2025 21:22

Celebrating causing immense psychological trauma to hundreds of thousands of people in this country is sickening. There are many in the transgender community who are currently feeling suicidal as a result of the Supreme Courts ruling. They are feeling like they have just been raped.

The lack of empathy shown towards those negatively affected by this ruling by those who support the ruling and were involved in getting it, is way more frightening then any alleged threat posed by members of the trans community sharing women only spaces.

I'm sorry but where did you get your figure of "hundreds of thousands." Statistics from the ONS reporting on results from the 2021 census show only 96,000 individuals identifying as trans.

The census question on gender identity was a voluntary question asked of those aged 16 years and over. The question asked “Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?”.

Overall, 45.7 million (94.0% of the population aged 16 years and over) answered the question.
The remaining 2.9 million (6.0%) did not answer the question.

In total of 45.4 million (93.5%) answered “Yes”, indicating that their gender identity was the same as their sex registered at birth.

A total of 262,000 people (0.5%) answered “No”, indicating that their gender identity was different from their sex registered at birth.
Within this group:

118,000 (0.24%) answered “No” but did not provide a write-in response

48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans man

48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans woman

30,000 (0.06%) identified as non-binary

18,000 (0.04%) wrote in a different gender identity

Datun · 18/04/2025 23:03

Jackreacherstrousers · 18/04/2025 22:56

I'm sorry but where did you get your figure of "hundreds of thousands." Statistics from the ONS reporting on results from the 2021 census show only 96,000 individuals identifying as trans.

The census question on gender identity was a voluntary question asked of those aged 16 years and over. The question asked “Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?”.

Overall, 45.7 million (94.0% of the population aged 16 years and over) answered the question.
The remaining 2.9 million (6.0%) did not answer the question.

In total of 45.4 million (93.5%) answered “Yes”, indicating that their gender identity was the same as their sex registered at birth.

A total of 262,000 people (0.5%) answered “No”, indicating that their gender identity was different from their sex registered at birth.
Within this group:

118,000 (0.24%) answered “No” but did not provide a write-in response

48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans man

48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans woman

30,000 (0.06%) identified as non-binary

18,000 (0.04%) wrote in a different gender identity

... and it's been established that a significant portion didn't even understand the question

KnottyAuty · 18/04/2025 23:09

Datun · 18/04/2025 23:03

... and it's been established that a significant portion didn't even understand the question

Now now - we all know that the Bengali community in east London are far more committed to trans issues than anyone in Brighton!? How very dare you! 🤣

Jackreacherstrousers · 18/04/2025 23:31

Datun · 18/04/2025 23:03

... and it's been established that a significant portion didn't even understand the question

GrinGrin

peakadulting · 18/04/2025 23:32

And some of the 18000 were terfs writing in that their gender identity can't match their sex as they don't have a bloody gender identity.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/04/2025 23:50

Igneococcus · 18/04/2025 20:26

I'm not sure where to put this, I don't want to open yet another thread, so I'm putting it here. Janice Turner in the Times:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/dbc9adf5-7e8b-46c6-8c99-637a89ee67a0?shareToken=17b2e61a219e2b880e154185ab7bc64c

Janice Turner deserves many thanks, I reckon, she’s been writing clear, insightful columns for years. Imo the Times has generally been the best of the bunch for reporting on this subject.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 18/04/2025 23:53

BiologicalRobot · 18/04/2025 21:48

Transpeople and their allies, especially the TRAs and MRAs, have been causing psychological trauma to hundreds and thousands of women and girls over the past decade or so, illegally. But you didn't care about us did you? Why do you expect us to suddenly #bekind to those who have harmed us?

Small correction: tens of millions of women and girls.

There are a lot more of us.

GreenFriedTomato · 19/04/2025 00:02

I remember listening to a piece about this on the radio. A disproportionately high number in a Muslim community had responded that they were trans. It did make me laugh for obvious reasons.

GreenFriedTomato · 19/04/2025 00:09

Datun · 18/04/2025 23:03

... and it's been established that a significant portion didn't even understand the question

I see on SM all the time people thinking trans man is a man who thinks he's a woman and trans woman is a woman who thinks she's a man. I'm sure they deliberately confused the language so people didn't know what anyone was actually referring to.

FeelingLessTired · 19/04/2025 07:28

Thanks for the Glinner interview in the Times. I see he needs some help with his garden. Off to plant a few seeds.

Igneococcus · 19/04/2025 07:37

GreenFriedTomato · 19/04/2025 00:09

I see on SM all the time people thinking trans man is a man who thinks he's a woman and trans woman is a woman who thinks she's a man. I'm sure they deliberately confused the language so people didn't know what anyone was actually referring to.

This is from the interview with Graham Linehan that I linked below:
“A good way of understanding the word ‘trans’ is taking it to mean opposite. So ‘trans woman’ means man and ‘trans man’ means woman. That kind of oppositional language has been a major weapon for trans activists. They used language in such a way that people felt they were on unsteady ground. They couldn’t argue their points. The language was just so corrupted.”

GreenFriedTomato · 19/04/2025 08:08

Thanks for the link and the quote. It's more or less what I said but worded better.
I use trans man and trans identified man/male.
People would think it was the same thing but one's a man and one's a woman.
It's no wonder the 2021 census got messed up because people didn't understand the questions

MarkWithaC · 19/04/2025 17:32

peakadulting · 18/04/2025 23:32

And some of the 18000 were terfs writing in that their gender identity can't match their sex as they don't have a bloody gender identity.

That'll be me Grin

WithSilverBells · 19/04/2025 17:54

ItsCoolForCats · 18/04/2025 21:16

What are people's thoughts on this? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/18/ruling-on-woman-definition-at-odds-with-uk-equality-acts-aim-says-ex-civil-servant

A civil servant who helped draft the Equality Act is claiming that the judgement is at odds with the intention of the Act.

After leading on the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013, she became executive director of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), staying there until October 2023.

EHRC guidance has been part of the problem. The SC have made her look like a tit and she is not happy

lcakethereforeIam · 19/04/2025 18:06

Igneococcus · 19/04/2025 17:54

This is not strictly about the ruling but this story about someone who has been very involved in this fight really cheered me. Baroness Nicholson got engaged at age 83. Congratulations.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/3e02fb5a-577e-4dcd-9763-620cbd379226?shareToken=07ce0656375f427ba70e9cb1106ebef7

Toyboy! 😄

Congratulations Baroness Nicholson🍾

Igneococcus · 19/04/2025 18:13

lcakethereforeIam · 19/04/2025 18:06

Toyboy! 😄

Congratulations Baroness Nicholson🍾

Something Baroness Nicholson and I have in common. dp is five years younger than I am. :)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/04/2025 18:18

Same here @Igneococcus

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 18:19

WithSilverBells · 19/04/2025 17:54

After leading on the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013, she became executive director of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), staying there until October 2023.

EHRC guidance has been part of the problem. The SC have made her look like a tit and she is not happy

Well good for her. Best tell the SC judges to rescind their ruling. An ex civil servant says they got it all wrong. FFS

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