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everythingthelighttouches · 16/04/2025 10:13

I feel quite emotional .

I’ve just put something on Aibu too because I think everyone should know about this. It has far-reaching consequences for women.

heathspeedwell · 16/04/2025 10:13

Thank goodness!

JustSpeculation · 16/04/2025 10:13

After that ruling, and bearing in mind same sex marriage is now law, is there any utility at all to a GRC?

ToBeOrNotToBee · 16/04/2025 10:13

Fuck yes.
Changing rooms
Right to fair participation in sports
Lesbians not wanting lady dick

I am so proud of FWS, LGB Alliance, and Sex Matters. And of course all of us women who saw through the bullshit since day 1.

Eyes on you Scotgov.

BiologicalRobot · 16/04/2025 10:14

A big heartfelt THANK YOU to FWS! ❤

YesYesAllGood · 16/04/2025 10:14

Very, very well done to all the women (and men) involved in this.

CocklesandMussels · 16/04/2025 10:14

Amazing news, am shaking (from a lurker x)

PlanetVulcan · 16/04/2025 10:14

💜⚪💚

Well done FWS. What a day!

Peripop · 16/04/2025 10:15

Good news 👏👏👏👏

TrainedByCats · 16/04/2025 10:15

Great news I feel all emotional

Another fantastic return on our donations to the fighting fund!

Sarah2891 · 16/04/2025 10:15

Brilliant news! But bonkers that this was even needed.

Fenlandia · 16/04/2025 10:15

How does this work with people like Dr Upton who says that Uptonself is a 'biological woman' because they is a woman and they is biological?

Foxgloverr · 16/04/2025 10:15

SO pleased, and it was so good to hear Lord Hodge explaining it in a calm and coherent manner. I was hanging on every word.

My kids came running when I screamed as they thought I'd found a spider 😆

NeedToChangeName · 16/04/2025 10:16

Redshoeblueshoe · 16/04/2025 10:04

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at nhs Fife

Yes I thought that too!

SchoolrunGardener · 16/04/2025 10:16

Thank you everyone who fought for this.
Changing rooms specifically mentioned! As a mother of a SA daughter who swims competitively… this single point is beyond important for us.

outofdate · 16/04/2025 10:16

Well done to all of us! I’m actually sobbing.

RedToothBrush · 16/04/2025 10:16

Sounds to me like the court has to all intents and purposes ruled that the GRA needs reforming or repealing. I'm sure legal bods will enlighten us.

This is interesting, because the timings of this ruling does not favour making it easier to get a GRC. Nor does it favour rolling back on women's rights.

Trans people retain rights under the Equality Act though. That's the right not to be discriminated against. Fair enough. This doesn't give them the right to single sex exceptions though. So third spaces /legally marked mixed space with single sex provision probably are legally where this is headed.

In theory I'd argue that GRC are now in the bin. You don't need a GRC because rights are under the EA. But equally you can't change sex.

Will be interesting to see where things go re pronouns now tbh...

JasonTindallsTan · 16/04/2025 10:16

Really emotional at that outcome. Well done to all the fabulous determined women who got us to this point when it would have been so easy to acquiesce and hope things didn’t get too bad.

zanahoria · 16/04/2025 10:16

Critics of equal rights for transgender women have won their supreme court challenge over the definition of a woman

The Guardian have gone with this line but their pique makes victory sweeter

Delivery · 16/04/2025 10:16

I feel sorry for any transgender person who is saddened by today’s ruling. I think the judge was wise to say that this shouldn’t be celebrated as one group triumphing over another.

But my overall feelings are of relief, that common sense has prevailed, and that women are defined as such to the exclusion of those who simply feel that they are women.

To those people I wish you love and respect, and you have my sympathy for being in a position that I can imagine is very difficult for you. But you are not women.

RedToothBrush · 16/04/2025 10:16

Fenlandia · 16/04/2025 10:15

How does this work with people like Dr Upton who says that Uptonself is a 'biological woman' because they is a woman and they is biological?

It means legally Fife are fucked.

Giggorata · 16/04/2025 10:16

Oh, frabjous day!
All you harridans and vipers who wouldn’t go away, THANK YOU.

I expect there'll still be a lot of resistance and trouble… but adult human females are vindicated.

DwarfBeans · 16/04/2025 10:16

❤️🙌

Dotjones · 16/04/2025 10:16

Interesting and better than I'd expected. Good that the Scottish government's position has been shown to be thoroughly wrong and that a woman has to be born a woman.

I have concerns as to what this means going forward. The ruling suggested to me that we're still going to be in an impasse. Women's spaces are now protected but trans people can't be discriminated against. What does that mean in prisons for example? It sounds now like transwomen can't be sent to women's prison, but they have protection from going to men's prison because that would lead to discrimination.

It now appears to me that we're still in a dangerous mess. Above all, the whole thing is reliant on points of law. Laws can be changed - the ruling here mainly says that the Scottish government acted wrongly, but Westminister is still controlled by a man who can't say whether a woman has a penis or not.

Yes this ruling is better than most of us hoped for, but while transpeople have loud voices and have their own legal protections there remains a risk that what's good news today might not be tomorrow.

akkakk · 16/04/2025 10:17

So fantastic to see common sense and truth being stated so clearly - well done all who were involved... this is a huge step forward for everyone who cares about society / people / the marginalised etc. It re-balances some of the horrendous injustices that have been taking place because a few aggressive people have shouted louder than others - amazing...

but not to sit still - now is the time to strike back at every instance of injustice - with a supreme court judgement in place the only way to go against that would be for parliament to re-legislate (and start the whole game again) - so there is a time of clarity which exists now where the supreme court judgement can be used as the definitive winning argument for all the issues which are listed on here daily - your local gym / Hampstead swimming pools / DEI officers in HR / current tribunals / etc. - all of them are now put clearly in place by the absolute clarity of this judgement - time to use it to push back...

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