Supreme court ruling

[mids2019]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/uk-supreme-court-rule-legal-definition-woman

How do we think this is going to pan out? My feeling reading the piece is that the court is going to side with GC women.....hope so but we will see.

Exactly - tomorrow!
(But glad to hear they are at least trying to sort it out late)

Yes. I agree.. that’s why I was glad the pp used quotation marks.

It’s very, very heavily gendered now. The ‘look’ for Gen Z girls is the blow up sex doll look - big lips, small thin nose, big eyelashes, long hair, tiny waist with big bum/boobs. Then there the fake tan and long nails. I was watching a reel the other day of sixth formers in 2003 on their last day of school and what struck me was how toned down even the glamorous girls looked compared to now - just straightened hair and some make up, nice top and jeans.

I hope you're right. The Scottish Government has said it accepts the decision, so presumably they aren't intending to take it to the ECHR. I think you're right that no-one else can.

I've just cancelled the direct debit I have had with Amnesty for 30 years... I gave them all my birthday money for two or three years in my teens and campaigned heavily for them at university.

This is what I've told them. I'd like to thank the PP who used the "when sex matters, it really matters" line. That resonated and I'll be using it on a few friends!!

Hi.

I'm just writing to inform you that I've cancelled my DD as a result of your reaction to the Supreme Court judgment.

The judgment is not "disappointing", it is crucial for women's rights. I think in particular of the case highlighted by Baroness Nicholson, in the House of Lords debate on SSA, about the case of a male patient raping a female patient, who was then told by NHS staff that no rape could have taken place because there were no males on the ward, when in fact the alleged rapist is a male who identifies as a woman). The trauma she must have gone through, being gaslit and doubted.

In addition I am thinking of women's refuges and women's sports. Sex doesn't always matter, but when it matters, it really matters.

I have supported Amnesty for over 30 years, since I donated all my birthday money at the age of 13, campaigned extensively at University, but you have completely lost the plot.

I sincerely hope that transpeople can have an easier life, I'm a tolerant left wing wishy-washy woman, but this isn't anti trans, it's pro women, and separate.

That’s interesting, and sad. My daughter goes to an all girls school. They’re much more like your 2003 example than the lip job / boob job / fake eyelashes examples that we see on social media.
Not sure what that says, but it says something.

Wings Over Scotland have been quick of the mark, with a very through distillation of the judgement.

'In another unconventionally strong bit of judicial language, the Scottish Government’s position is at one point described as “unprincipled”, “impractical”, “perverse”, being of “doubtful” truth and characterised by “incoherence”. Ouch. That’s gotta sting.'

Wings Over Scotland | The highlights show

This is in response to @theilltemperedqueenofspacetime but I lost the quote somehow…

I haven’t quite reached the latest posts, but a couple of pages have gone with no-one addressing this, so I shall make an attempt, specifically with relation to this part:

“But those women-only entities that are permitted under sex-discrimination law because of reasons of safety, fairness and privacy (toilets and changing rooms, prisons, refuges, sports teams) can only justify the exclusion of TW by reference to a proportionate means to a legitimate end, which is more onerous.”

This is based on a misconception regarding the Single Sex Exemptions. Being trans is irrelevant as these exemptions are about sex and trans status/gender reassignment is entirely irrelevant.

What your statement should read, had Stonewall et al not muddied the waters all these years is that:

Those women-only entities that are permitted under sex-discrimination law because of reasons of safety, fairness and privacy (toilets and changing rooms, prisons, refuges, sports teams) can justify the exclusion of MEN so long as it is a proportionate means to a legitimate end.

It isn’t particularly onerous to explain why men should be excluded from those spaces. And now it has been absolutely confirmed that whether those men claim a trans identity or not is irrelevant. So you don’t have to justify why you want to exclude any specific group of men. All men can be excluded, so long as that is a proportionate means to a legitimate end. The Supreme Court has just pointed out that even the men with apparently the strongest case to claim they are women, are still excluded along with all the other men.

Just popping on without having read the whole thread to say... Yay! Posted a few times on the other thread, but wanted to say a big thank you here as well to everyone reading who contributed in any way to this, an even bigger thank you to the sheroes who spoke out in public with such courage and clarity, and how wonderful it feels to have this judgment. The relief I feel is striking - it's like a weight's been lifted. Not the whole weight - we've a long way to go yet, no doubt - but to receive "formal", public recognition and validation of everything women on here have been saying for so very long on this scale means the world. It's been far too long coming, and that it was even needed is appalling, but it's securely "on the record" now for posterity... and the RSOH!

There is an awful lot of what I can only describe as Performance Weeping going on on TikTok this afternoon.

He is indeed. Be interesting to see if he sounds off. Not least because - and this might be a typo - I caught this in an interview with him and his idiotic wife the other day. She's referring to their very loudly previously proclaimed 'nonbinary' child...

It's grim, isn't it. I can't post it, but I have a school photo from around 1976 which shows a wide variety of hairstyles in my form of 27 girls aged about 15. Every single one of us was female. In the years since our lives have been shaped, in part anyway, by being female. I'm so glad I'm not young now and my daughter is in her 30s, so missed most of this madness.

'Stonewall have deep concern' apparently according to BBC. Deep concern that the grift is over most likely. They certainly don't have any concern for the gay and autistic teens they have encouraged to self-mutilate over the past decade. Bastards.

They’ll need to get proper jobs and everything, now.

Won't anybody think about the money?

I've seen so many men kicking off on FB and X, it's incredible, almost like this WIN has done them personal harm. I have blisters on my fingers from liking all the WIN posts on X today, Lord there are a lot of them. I enjoyed popping over to see some of the most misogynistic accounts on X and what they have to say about the WIN. A ranty journalist has only given it a cursory 'blah blah we stand with TW' crap when at one stage they were on it every day (they have another more important cause now!) and I've noticed a much more muted response about the WIN from previously angry accounts. Could be they are festering and planning some sort of hex on all of us women here on Terf Island. Well, we (a big load of women of all ages) have been messaging each other all day about the WIN with a spring in our step! I enjoy putting win in capitals.

It's almost as though the concept of female as a costume/performance has permeated through a whole generation....

WINNIN' for the WIMMIN!

Good for you! I used to support them too, but stopped a long time ago.

"Much of it [the judgement], of course, can be summarised as “the bleeding obvious”."

I've been tempted before, they do so much good work that I couldn't bring myself to do it and I've been invested for so long... But I've finally lost patience, they had this chance to graciously stand down.

I really did not expect the judgement to be so strong, nor so thorough. It's delightful.

Apologies if already posted but here's is KJK's post (one of many and so she should) following today's ruling. Good on you Kelli 👏

x.com/ThePosieParker/status/1912516297969062109?t=UILsAbwZNW5WnvwVatbbuw&s=19

And the support animals! What will become of them?

This is fabulous news.

I am really struck by the pictures of celebrating women. How often do we see groups of successful women in the news, wielding their collective power? The reverse is true - we see groups of men imposing their wills on the world all the time. It really puts paid to the whole "backed by the American right wing" argument... does anyone really think that if this wonderful effort was funded by US right wingers, they wouldn't have been there, in their manly suits, to gloat and hog the limelight?