Supreme court ruling

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/uk-supreme-court-rule-legal-definition-woman

How do we think this is going to pan out? My feeling reading the piece is that the court is going to side with GC women.....hope so but we will see.

Himdia ‘do you want to see my cervix’ Willoughby? The man’s a total joke.

@AccidentallyWesAnderson I'm in England, sorry I didn't realise you were in Scotland. I guess in Scotland the equivalent would be the Scottish Police Authority?

The good thing about the commissioner is that he is directly elected, so I have some leverage and told him that my vote was up for grabs if I liked what I heard.

India's a man through and through, as we all know from his MRA antics, and now as confrimed by no less than the supreme court. Cry harder stillaboy.

Do they ever question themselves and their ludicrous beliefs?

And as with Dr Upton: I'm sure the judges from today's judgement would be sympathetic but clear that it may be what they believe, but the law does not uphold this, nor their right to use women's single sex spaces. Those spaces can say no to them. Legally.

It's almost like the Beeb were so captured that they couldn't imagine this result would go in FWS favour - and had to proceed with the day of "experts" they had pre-booked.... which unfortunately included zero women

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It's the EQUALITY act.

This means BOTH women and transpeople are worthy of having their privacy and dignity respected.

This DOES NOT mean that women have to give up their privacy and dignity in order to facilitate transpeople.

It means you have to find other ways to maintain dignity and privacy.

And I bloody hate those cubicles because sodding men manage to pee everywhere, so they smell rank and the floors are gross.

Had to use one last week. 🤢🤢🤢

As was suggested to Sandie Peggie - they might like to change in the store cupboard, disabled/accessible loo or perhaps just put up a curtain in the gents changing area... if it was OK for Sandie it must be ok for them.

Exactly. Except women outnumber transwomen by a lot so the women keep the women's changing room and they get 'the broom cupboard' discreetly

Bracing myself before listening to PM on Radio 4: expecting Evan Davis to be full of weasel words and trying to muddy the waters.

I’m just going into read the thread, knowing the result. Yay!

Thanks to FWS for their hard work. One huge step for protecting our daughters’ futures!

And apparently the judges made this decision without hearing from any transwomen at all!

Says my friend/colleague.

@Xiaoxiong The Police Commissionner in my area is one of several that only funds mixed sex rape support, and has no plans to change this, as she says it's not a legal requirement, even though rape is a sex based crime. (Even what is called the 'woman only' sexual assault/ rape counselling group is mixed sex to include trans identifying men).

This is one of the many evidence examples submitted to the EHRC which has contributed to their acknowledgement guidance isn't working for women.

She is a Labour PCC and doesn't appear to have remembered the UK signed an international UN Declaration (in 2022?) confirming it would provide SS support for female victims of MVAWG. I am aware the UK has been reported to the UN too for failing women - don't know if they can take action against the UK though!
There's an article about that here:
claireob1.substack.com/p/the-equality-act-2010-and-support

This is true and because case law confirmed that acquired gender was legally equivalent to sex for EA 2010 purposes, organisations could provide only male and female facilities and comply with the law. That changed today.

From today organisations will have to rewrite policy to comply with the new legal interpretation of EA 2010 (no other law is affected). Forcing trans people into facilities inconsistent with their acquired gender has obvious legal and public liability issues. The least of which is how to enforce it.

Put yourself in the shoes of someone responsible for those facilities, ungendered provision is now the only obvious way to comply with EA 2010. I really don't know, but we'll find out over the next year or two.

How are you finding it interacting with a TW friend/colleague today? I am at work with mine and have been actively avoiding being in a room with her as I just can't face having to lie and pretend I agree with her.

It's complicated as I've only ever known her as a TW and she has had full surgery etc. I do feel uncomfortable at the idea of her e.g. having to use a mens toilet in a pub. However she did choose to become trans and as someone really well explained upthread, women's spaces are not there to justify the existence of trans people and to play along with the charade.

Maybe they could just police themselves and do the right thing?

Apparently, "WI policy has not changed" in light of today's ruling - they better redraft all those policy documents referring to women, then.

Amd remove the word woman from their title.

a UK government spokesperson says: "We have always supported the protection of single-sex spaces based on biological sex"

And as the Party says in 1984: Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

Come back, George Orwell. We need you more than ever.

Radio 4's PM programme is covering this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live/bbc_radio_fourfm

Man thinks he’s grown a cervix. A medical miracle!

Fucking liars!
What a steaming pile of disingenuous twaddle.

They come out with this deceitful crap and wonder why people won't vote for them.

Because we see them, that's why. 'We have always supported the protection of single-sex spaces based on biological sex' my arse! If that was the case, it would never have come to this, and I wouldn't have been using a reeking, man-piddle-sprinkled, 'all genders' loo in a school the other day.

Lying fuckers who lie.

Yes - I understand that - however, at a personal level it is why I have been very pro this not being ignored for women (see my posting history) - I am sorry that I didn't have the ability to stop other men - each of us can only influence our own sphere...

the difficulty with your comment on some transmen (and I understand where it comes from) is if you swap that around to men not wanting some transwomen - and then we are back at square 1 with the implication that they should use women's spaces... which is wrong. It becomes very tricky if an individual of either sex takes themselves to that point...