Supreme court ruling

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/uk-supreme-court-rule-legal-definition-woman

How do we think this is going to pan out? My feeling reading the piece is that the court is going to side with GC women.....hope so but we will see.

I'm in the awkward situation where I'm literally buzzing about this outcome, but work with a TW (who I really like and respect, she's an amazing person and so clever), we are both at work today and she had clearly been crying when she came into the kitchen for morning break. I am certain she will have been crying about the ruling. I just left the room as couldn't face having a conversation about it. No idea whether it came up after I left.

As encouraged as I am, I still don't feel comfortable voicing my opinion. It wouldn't go down well in my place of work. So I'm engaging with this wonderful thread instead.

Thank you for all the power and knowledge, mumsnet ❤

I wonder how David Tennant is feeling? I'd love to see his hissy fit.

I have just thanked my carer for being an ally, he says he isn't, he is an accomplice.

He is. As ever

How are you feeling now?

I'm just listening to it now. Strategically, the TRA they had on was a transman, so when she asked if she could get thrown out of the toilets at Euston 'while doing her business at the urinal' it just didn't have the same impact as a bloke's voice asking the same question about being in a women's toilet.

The intersex gotcha was just ridiculous, and the whole segment - all the whataboutery and silly false equivalences - just made me even more profoundly relieved that the Supreme Court has clarified this once and for all.

Thank you. I’ve been working away from the office on placement for 6 months, so not sure if he’s still at it - I return next month so if he is I will most definitely contact them. I’ve already had to right one wrong at work by reminding them of the Forstater ruling (they posted on our intranet page that trans women are being ‘refused access to women’s hospital wards’ and how unfair that is!). So trying to choose my battles as sadly my job is our livelihood and it’s a very ‘woke’ workplace.

I’ve seen Swinney say that he accepts the decision.

No - we need the tribunal to continue and for there to be a judgement. Sandie can't stop/settle - as the application of this supreme court judgement needs to be underlined for the NHS

'Strategically, the TRA they had on was a transman, so when she asked if she could get thrown out of the toilets at Euston 'while doing her business at the urinal'

Yes, a women should not being doing her business in a urinal, she should use the stall. If I were a man and I walk in and saw someone who was not biological built to use a urinal trying to use one, I complain loudly.

Fabulous news!!! 🎉

Headlining on R4. Predictably the BBC have rung up one of the TRAs they have on speed dial to do a sad voice on the World at One.
Let them speak. Hopefully there'll then be some sensible analysis from a grown up.

My neighbour was transexual many years ago. She had the big operation, penis removed and inverted in her late fifties. Such a lovely person who lived for her garden, not a mean bone in her body. She would agree with this ruling.

Does this mean when I use the changing room at David Lloyd and there's a man in there dressed as a woman we can ask David Lloyd to remove him?

I'm so fed up of treading on egg shells. Men pretending to be women can be very aggressive and intimidating so of course most women just shut down in that kind of situation and men pretending to be women, take advantage of that non-confrontational aspect of us.

Sandie certainly can stop the tribunal if NHS throw enough money at her, to persuade her to settle. If I were in her shoes, I'd be holding out for a big payout

But, that feels like a hollow victory, as it'll be paid from taxpayer funds. So, a win for her / women generally and I do support that, but I'd be even happier if any settlement was paid by the HR managers personally

Welsh Government will need to get their own employment policies in order as well. The BBC FOIs revealed that they are completely captured and giving women's right to single sex spaces away willy nilly, erasing the word 'woman' from policies on maternity and breastfeeding as well. Absolute clowns not to have consulted their internal legal services about this, and if they did the lawyers are even bigger clowns because they clearly hadn't sat down and read the Equality Act and workplace regulations properly. If there are any WG civil servants reading this, I suggest you claim your loos and the word 'woman' back immediately. So angry on your behalf when you had self-proclaimed feminists at the top!

Does this mean when I use the changing room at David Lloyd and there's a man in there dressed as a woman we can ask David Lloyd to remove him?

Only if David Lloyd have specifically designated the changing rooms as women's single-sex

OMG it's Jane Fae! You are spoiling us, Auntie Beeb.

Susan Smith on R4 now.

Oh wow a blast from the past 🤣. Any knitting, or is that Tom's job these days?

Not so sure. If they are called 'women's changing rooms' then the only sex this can mean is the biological kind. This does not need to be an exemption? But if allowing users who are not biological women (in the conventional biology sense) they will need to be called unisex or mixed sex if they continue to allow TIM to use these.

I’ve already been called a “loud bigot” this morning and been lectured on how it’s men who are a threat to women, not trans women.

I’m honestly too jaded to navigate these conversations any more

Jeremy has trans friends and always sits on the fence or does his ‘what does this all mean’ looking puzzled act. He knows exactly what it all means.

Exciting fact about Supreme Court rulings - they are retroactive. Any law cases won on the basis that 'a transperson is the sex they say they are' will now be able to be appealed.

The fragrant Jane brought her breakfast back up. Apparently.

I'm in Wales, it's worrying that they'll rebel. They're so enamoured at the top and squash threaten any opposition.