Scottish Greens being sexist again

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With Sparkles no longer a member other male Scottish Greens have had to step up to continue their terrible reputation. They are doing their bit.

Scottish Greens council candidate claimed JK Rowling was a Holocaust denier and said trans rapist Isla Bryson was a woman
Exclusive: Eryn Browning has been chosen by the Scottish Greens to contest a by-election in Clydebank Waterfront but offensive historic posts have resurfaced.
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-greens-council-candidate-claimed-35039831?int_source=nba

There is hope the Scottish Greens might plunge into civil war after their conference. Patrick Harvie is standing down as leader but Slater is standing again and there is opposition over her elitist behaviour.
https://archive.is/ESYZg

Bah. I should either re-engage properly with politics or steer clear and keep schtum. Turns out that the number of votes cast at the last SGP leadership election, in 2019 (when the interesting contest was probably Slater vx. Chapman) was very similar to this time. So it looks more as if SGP members have always been an apathetic bunch.

With less than a 1000 people voting these contests are very vulnerable to manipulation.

At his conference speech in April, he hit out at a "small minority" within the Greens who he claimed were damaging the party and its reputation.

Who is Harvie accusing?

Look back through the thread for the background. That was probably a hit at the so called Glasgow faction who were trying to unseat Harvie for not being radical enough. They failed and one got suspended. Quite a few of them were trans.

It’s very similar to the percentages that bother to vote in Student Union elections (at least, back when I was at Uni). Tiny numbers of people could have a big impact on which officers got elected, what policies were voted in, etc.

@PaterPower Yep, and then off the back of having been big in student politics they go on to be big in 'real' politics. The whole system is bollocks. People go on about how great it is to have the Scottish parliament as the politicians are closer to the people. Personally, I'd put the parliament on the moon and permanently in recess.

Yep. It should be instructive on the perils and benefits of PR.

The Greens are a bit different than the big parties, though. They're effectively a pressure group and people don't really expect them to be 'in power' per se, they're only supposed to be holding the other parties to account on relevant issues (in this case ostensibly environment, although there's not much evidence of that). So I think they are taken less seriously, even by their own members, or regarded differently, perhaps. Maybe there's also an assumption that they are all on the same page, and a subsequent obliviousness to factions and politicking within the party.

@guinnessguzzler Yep, and then off the back of having been big in student politics they go on to be big in 'real' politics.
Is this really (still) the case? What proportion of the Scottish Cabinet and Opposition equivalents were big in student politics?

These days if you want to become a Westminster MP a local connection is important, so more MPs are ex-councillors. To get into the Cabinet - and I think also the Shadow Cabinet - a stint in a think-tank seems to be useful.

Interesting article
Zack Polanski wants to ‘rebuild relationship’ with Scottish Greens
https://archive.is/gcd4x

Zack misses the Scottish Greens.

He'll have to practice his aim.

Gillian Mackay has revealed herself to be an extremist TWAW, alas.

https://x.com/gracebrod1e/status/1965312225947910394

It's all laughs and nuance when they're talking about Unionists voting Green. Watch the smile drop off her face when it comes to discussing whether its possible to change sex.

Red line, apparently.

That's a shame. I had retained a glimmer of hope that Mackay might have been less outrageous on this issue than others in the SGP.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002j5l7

A political party that actively doesn’t want a majority of people to vote for them. That’s an interesting strategy.

I have been very good and not voted Lib Dem after they said they didn't want my vote.

Well their red line is getting plenty of publicity.

Telegraph - Voters should not back Scottish Greens if they do not think trans women are women, new leaders say
https://archive.is/wLWfS

Herald - Greer and Mackay: No place in Greens for the gender critical
https://archive.is/9A9iy

Be interesting if they stick to pushing that line in the May elections as a key issue for Scotland and what the result is. Saying people should not Green if they don't believe in gender stuff is a bold stance.
A lot of Indy Scots are interested in this section.

Asked if someone would be welcome in the party if they did not agree with the leadership on sex and gender, Mr Greer said:
“Would you expect the SNP to welcome people who oppose Scottish independence?
He added: "One of our core principles, one of the reasons that we exist, is equality, and that is LGBT equality."

This indicates the Green party leaders are very happy to have the support of unionist voters, but it's "a red line" if you don't share their belief that TWAW.

The cause of LGBT equality has been in our DNA, in the DNA of every Green Party since our movement began in the 70s
How dare these biology-deniers talk about DNA?

The Green Party, the party that eats itself on a regular basis. Absolutely batshit.

I expect that following the elections/internal power.struggles, in which every last trans person failed to win, the SGO are attempting to buy pardons from the rainbow lobby by making ridiculous proclamations like this.

They're aiming those comments at the most extreme activists within the party, with absolutely no consideration of how that comes across to people outwith the party.

They've just said dont vote Green if you dont believe its possible to change sex.

They may as well join forces with the Flat Earth society.

I was actually around (quite young) when Die Grünen were founded (have met Petra Kelly very briefly) and LGBT was not something that they talked about much and certainly not the T part of it.

It seems Zack's plan to reunite the Green party England Wales with the Scottish Greens has run into a snag.

The Scottish Green party is a separate party because it split from the Green party England Wales because they didn't hate women enough. See article above for backstory.

GPEW is under Polanski trying to catch up in the cancelling women plan though they have run into a road block because pesky women keep saying things and wanting to attend conferences. The English Greens have a particularly vocal Baroness Jenny Jones who just keeps on thinking women exist she has only been in the Greens since 1988 so apparently she can be ignored. This has led to a huge online meltdown. For all this see the Green party thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up?page=13

Scottish Greens are lambasting the English for being too lax and defying holy writ. Rumour has it that they have a solution and are working on a pamphlet to finally solve the women problem In Scotland and south of the border too with the catchy title The Second Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstruous Regiment of Women.

Ooh, the young team are so radical, aren't they? Hope they enjoy their power trip, and I hope it's suitably brief.

Menstruous Regiment

So we have Zack and the GPEW, currently facing - how many court cases? - side-eying the New Whatever You Like Party of Corbyn etc, both parties which contain Muslim men who are not ever going to toe the line on 'trans' issues and who are already being attacked for 'transphobia'. We have counter attacks for 'islamophobia'.

And we have the SGP, riven with what was described as an internal war, trying now to battle the GPEW.

Both parties have done their best to expel or exclude any women who refused to chant the catechisms, but many people in both parties still retain this irritating commitment to environmental issues, and there are some tenacious and very determined and patient long standing members who are still standing fast.

Watching in horrified fascination as a party that was once a force for good, and remains the alleged custodian of increasingly important environmental issues, shakes itself to pieces.

Greer spouts off again. So many lies. Apparently Scottish women are incapable of knowing that women exist without Americans to tell them.

Then there is this travesty trying to conflate views on abortion with women's rights to have changing rooms and prisons again.

He said: “Many of these people want to row back access to abortion rights. Many of them are the same people who opposed what the Greens did creating those protest-free, harassment-free buffer zones outside hospitals that provide abortion services.
“We need to be absolutely clear about the agenda of so many of the people involved. Not everybody campaigning against the rights of trans people also oppose abortion rights. But I am yet to find someone who opposes abortion rights who does not also vociferously and viciously oppose trans rights.”

Exclusive:Greer warns MSPs need 'bravery' after being 'cowed by aggressive voices' opposing trans rights

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/ross-greer-transphobic-abuse-trans-rights-5315955

So deeply sunk in their echo chambers.