FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down Weds 16th April at 9.45am

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The Ruling in FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down next Weds 16th April at 9.45am It will also be streamed via the UKSC website, so you can watch live.

https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1910272949350695371

Deliberately late to the party. I have been out and avoiding the result. Logged on and I am crying tears of joy. Thank you thank you FWS, and the Supreme Court.

1. Prisons - because the women in prison have no choice about who they are imprisoned with, and are unable to leave
2. Hospitals - due to the vulnerability of patients, especially in mental health units.
3. Schools - for child safeguarding reasons

Just popping in to say that I predicted this outcome on here a while ago so I’m feeling chuffed today. I know many legal commenters were reluctant to make a prediction, but seeing how the Supreme Court loves consistency in statutory construction I really couldn’t see it going any other way. I was amused at the part of the judgment that reacted to the concept of a male lesbian with incredulity and said it would make lesbianity meaningless. I suspect the justices in the Supreme Court are not aware of just how common “male lesbians” are in TRA land.

And from the express another really good article

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-government-suffer-humiliating-defeat-35063843?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

I couldn't bear to look too soon. Well done everyone. FWS. MN terfs. I love you all 💕

1. The police, no tw searching women, no women forced to search men.

1. Single sex care for vulnerable patients. Big Brenda can care for the other men.

The ruling relates to natal sex/ the sex you were born as. This will be recorded on birth certificates. if there was an issue with regard to someone’s sex being in doubt in relation to enquiries about law breaking, the person under investigation could be asked to present their birth certificate to a police station, as is done with traffic stops.

I bet the Supreme Court judges each took one look at the mess of conflicting legislation, side eyed each other and said um, is it me, or is everyone else seeing that fucking massive, naked Emperor.

But if they've got the wrong sex on their birth certificate?

What does this mean in terms of the people who say "sex/gender is not a binary" /"the role of chromosomes and other secondary sex characteristics." Will that be tried in legal contexts? Or is it just part of the ongoing debate on social media?

Oh please can we have some court cases about the meaning of the word biological 😁

The ‘dream team’ 😂

Rightsraptor · Today 10:24

Can anyone remember how much was crowdfunded to get us here?

Apologies I'd you've already had an answer and I'm wrong, but £230,000 is the figure in my mind. That's an AWFUL lot of small donations.

Can I just join in with the joy? I'm a natural pessimist and felt sure that the judgement would go the way of madness. What a win! A 5-0 kicking for the bullies, liars and sneering bigots, who nuclearised DARVO.

🍾🍾🍾🥂

On presentation, they can be required to sign a statement saying whether this is the original certificate or one reissued in line with other legal processes.

I think it will boil down to sex registered at birth, including any retrospective corrections of fact. This possibly means some men with DSDs will continue to be legally female, but they are small in number and the issues mostly relate to sport, where the sporting regulator has the power to exclude them based on unfair advantage.

I didn't expect to get teary-eyed about it, but seeing the women singing in Edinburgh was so stirring.

I was fine until on the news I saw Lord Hodge talking about 150 years of women's rights campaigning. Not a dry eye in the illtempered house.

No particular order they should all be sorted ASAP.
It's not like the same people will be working on prisons as schools or hospitals.

Get them all fixed for Tuesday latest. Keeping in mind it's a bank Holiday weekend and the start of a new school term.

Fabulous voices, too!

Also, for those following the Dr. Upton case in detail, the Supreme Court written judgement explicitly clarified that the right for biological woman to request same sex care means by a biological woman (defined as since birth). So not Dr Upton, a man identifying as women, even if he had a GRC.

So fucking happy!

We must be ready for the TRA campaigns against revoking the GRA and to change the meaning of sex when they revise the Equality Act.

Still catching up but just wanted to say WELL DONE WIMS! And huge thanks to For Women Scotland. I don't think the impact of this can be overstated. Sigh of relief all round and narcissists and bullies beware; this is what happens when you push too far.

@theilltemperedqueenofspacetime
Thanks for the laughing face. But I'm not joking.
There is no reason for hospitals not to be shuffling wards round today they do it all the time anyway.

Prisons might need time to organise themselves. Find space elsewhere.

Schools are closed.

Offices get the memo out no trans in the opposite sex toilets.

They are breaking laws which are now crystal clear.

I didn't know that. So the whole thing about legal privacy gets kicked out of the ballpark because they can be challenged over their birth certificate?

Edited to add, but also, what if they swear blind it is the original. How do you prove otherwise?

I don't know why but what really set me off was Jean Hatchet (I think - I've been reading a lot of posts!) commenting on FWS's 'yaaaaaaas!' twitter post and saying 'this is their roar. Fear it'. Didn't think it would make me cry but it did.

Here's to indomitable, fearless women 🥂