FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down Weds 16th April at 9.45am

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The Ruling in FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down next Weds 16th April at 9.45am It will also be streamed via the UKSC website, so you can watch live.

https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1910272949350695371

and I have meetings. bugger.
Feel very nervous about the outcome

Thank you for the heads up.

Checking my diary..

Dreading this one.

Same here.

I have a 9.30 so probably won't be around for the handing down unless it is rearranged. The meeting I mean, not the handing down.

Thank you for the heads-up. Rearranging my diary now.

I'm at an all day event - hoping it's a 10am start

Feel jittery 😬

Thanks, OP.

Feeling quite ill.

Thanks OP.

Really dreading this one. But it will be interesting to see how the judges word it.

I'll be watching. Very nervous, but more angry that a judgement is needed on whether any kind of man can legally 'become a woman'.

Same here.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive"

We all know what a woman is, and no piece of paper can turn a man into one.

I will not submit to this nonsense, whatever the court rules. This fight is far from over; we have de facto self ID in the UK and it will take decades to root out.

Thank you. I have put it in the diary.

If this case proves that legally a man holding a GRC is incompatible with women's equalities and legal rights, and that the GRA has in fact turned out to have subordinated women's rights in law, it will be a PITA and the next step on a long path. However it will then mean that there is no option but for the GRA to go. In the long term, it will make a much bigger and more damaging mess for politicians than managing to find a way to meet men's wishes and still retain women's equalities would.

But it's their choice.

Thanks for the heads up, I don't work in the day on a Wednesday so should be able to tune in, if I've got the gut's, I've got a terrible feeling about this.

of course I’m concerned about it and hope FWS win but given the tiny number of people with GRC it’s not going to change all that much in a wider sense anyway is it?

How many men in a woman's space does it take to affect every woman there?

How many women is it ok to exclude and harm in the name of 'just a few men'? And what does that say about the equality of women and men?

How many men can get GRCs before it all becomes a problem?

And if it isn't a problem at the moment, what are all these women with major issues and all these court cases about?

Whatever the outcome, at least we will all know how the current law reads.

If a GRC does make a man a woman for all purposes I think there will be a massive push to repeal the GRA.

This is not the end of the war.

Some of my terfy friends are going to meet up to watch it together. I’m too nervous to be alone

Nervously place marking.

How do we watch or do we wait for news sites to report?

I've got a bad feeling about this

What can we do that's constructive while we wait? It seems unlikely the judges are going just to say "Scottish ministers are completely right, go away FWS and stop being so unreasonable", doesn't it? More likely they're going to say something along the lines of "well, technically we have to rule in favour of the Scottish ministers, but the law is clearly a horrible mess, Parliament, please sort it". In which case, we will need to swing into action to try to pressure them into actually doing something. Strategically, what? I'm guessing the thing that might actually succeed would be a short piece of legislation to say that "woman" in the EA means biological woman, irrespective of GRCs. Do we start writing immediately, if that's what happens, or wait for FWS/Sex Matters/some organisation to marshall us, I wonder? If we think the thing to do would be to write immediately, we could have our emails ready to send immediately after the judgement is given; though we should at least discuss whether there's anything surprising in it that especially needs to be included. Dunno.

It is still possible that FWS will win...I do hope so.

If they do say a man with a GRC is legally a woman, do you think they'll say anything about practicalities? You can't ask to see a GRC. So if a male with a GRC is turned away from a women's event, would the organisers be at risk of discrimination? If yes, does this mean they have to admit all males just in case? Or is it up to the male with a GRC to prove he is eligible to enter?

Whichever way it goes, the implications will be interesting and I'm sure will be widely discussed in the media.

You could ask for birth certificates to rule out men without a GRC.

Thanks. Just reading the pool transcripts & it's mentioned. Stomach jumped a little. Fingers crossed. But if it doesn't favour our side, it still gives clarity re. what we're opposing. Obfuscation has been so key throughout - less scope for this can also be helpful.