Anyone else worried Trump’s advocacy of gender-critical views taints and discredits them?

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I’m gender-critical, and was pleased when Trump issued his early Executive Orders on Protecting Children from Chemical and Surgical Mutilation, and Keeping Men Out of Women’s Sports.

But now… everything else. The sickening bullying of Zelensky and support for Putin, the threats to invade allies, the insults, lies, laziness, lawbreaking, cruelty and incompetence.

I’m concerned the fact Trump is an advocate of gender-critical views taints and discredits them in the eyes of thinking people. The verdict of history may be harsh because of the Trump connection.

I’m a resident of Terf Island, and still passionately hold GC views. But the support of Trump and Vance is starting to feel less like a blessing, more like a kiss of death.

He's not an advocate of gender critical views.
He didn't invent sex realism, it's just common sense for the vast majority.
His foreign policy and support for Putin has no connection with being sex realist.
He's the same venal, unscrupulous bully he has been his whole life.

But if leftists keep pushing the idea that reality and women's rights are aspects of Trumpian politics, all they will do is make Trumpian politics seem more respectable because of being associated with something that is obviously and fundamentally true - that sex is material reality.

Most posters will say something akin to it’s possible to agree with some things and not others. This is true, and it is also true that I also agree the two EOs you refer to are a good thing.

However, I also feel the two EOs were a form of exploitation and leverage. Trump knew these were trigger points, and it’s no accident that they were some of the first EOs he signed. He is exploiting women and children (remember the images of Trump surrounded by young girls at the signing?) for popularity.

Again, posters here might say it doesn’t matter as long as these things happen. I think it does. I’m not getting in bed with the wolf even though he seems harmless.

He’s not GC he’s bigoted.

Sorry! I forgot that part! ‘It’s the fault of the left’

That is becoming a bit tired now. You might need to come up with something new.

And he doesn’t seem harmless!

Nope.

I am not anything but accept there is a male sex and a female sex and someone identify as a sea urchin from Uranus as much as they want does not make them one, if they need Trump to educate them more than that have way bigger issues going on

Do you really think that "thinking people" are going to start supporting the chemical and surgical mutilation of children and putting men in women's sports just because Trump is against those things?

What's your definition of "thinking people"? I don’t think it’s the same as mine.

Oh good it’s another one of these thread. Haven’t had one for at least oooh a few hours!

yes we should totally support signing over women’s rights ti men with lady feels and continue to let children be lied to & medicalised because Donald Trump tjinks the opposite

FFS

and for the avoidance of doubt for the hard of thinking DT is NOT gender critical. He’s a plain old basic sexist cunt who believes whole heartedly in gender stereotypes

What was the alternative? Harris and a continuation of women being deprioritized for men, and children’s lives destroyed for adult ideologies?

Things are so mad in USA that Trump, who doesn’t give a shit what anyone thinks, was probably the only one who was ever going to act on this issue

I’m hoping that, now that everyone has seen what gender bollocks actually means in practice, it will be too politically explosive for them to try to go back to how things were.

This.

Trump is not gender critical and has nothing to do with the women, who are UK based, on this board.

I hope that helps.

I totally agree OP but you probably won’t get a good reception to that view here.

I totally understand your nuanced view. I was also very impressed by the clarity of the EO regarding sport, female spaces, children "medicine", and part of me also worries that the democrats might become even more resistant to change, because of Trump's behaviour on all the rest. (BTW, I'm in the UK, so I can't claim I understand all the nuances of the US political landscape).

However, there are a few things that will, in my opinion, have long lasting effects. Some examples: the inquests on gender medicine, the lengthening of the statute of limitation for medical malpractice will change US gender medicine in an irreversible way. Even without the EAs, whistleblowers will feel more supported, and insurances will start thinking.
I also don't think that sport rules will be changed back: it's not what the public and the athletes want, I suspect that most sport bodies were just waiting for an outside intervention to do the right thing.
Finally, the definition of woman and men is scientifically sound, simple and I think here to stay.

Maybe I'm too optimistic?

I agree with your concerns except the bit about thinking people. Hopefully thinking people will understand he was just trying to score points by implementing the EOs, he doesn’t actually hold gc views himself.

Trump is Trump. Trump knew what would be vote winning. I don’t think there are many people who are campaigning to get sex prioritised over gender where it needs to be that think Trump is more than a man who will use whatever he can to personally gain more power.

Wouldn’t it be great if the Democratic Party listened to women and were the ones to find equitable solutions for women? But they didn’t. They doubled down and I don’t believe they even spoke to women’s groups about the topic.

And watching what has happened to Jonah Wheeler who has listened to women and to detransitioners and how his Democrat colleagues and constituents have treated him, the chilling effect is that it will take some incredible bravery for any Democratic Party elected politician or candidate to vote in support of any bill that protects children, female sports and other female single sex provisions.

And it has probably been said, but this tribal and polarised view about people who are campaigning for women’s needs being ‘aligned’ with Trump in general is like declaring that all vegetarians should take on Hilter’s views or take responsibility on everything else Hitler did.

Tone: mocking and aggressive. Ironic.

Anyone with a brain knows that Trump only does things for his own benefit or to piss off those people he considers his ‘enemies’. He still has as much contempt for women as he always has and the fact that he has done ONE thing that could possibly benefit women is a total coincidence.

Hitler was a dog lover, I am a dog lover, it doesn’t mean I endorse Hitler, do you see how this works?

I don’t support Trump 😂 and don’t know anyone that does. Not that I have to explain why to anyone.

The fact that the US President agrees with me and wants to protect my rights as a woman is welcome. He recognises the absolute harms that transgender ideology and propaganda has had on women’s rights and wants to protect our children’s futures from being indoctrinated into believing they can actually change sex.
If anyone disagrees with his proposals then they are part of the problem.

The thing is though. It is also possible that Trump

a) is a politician who sees a way to win power and

b) a sexually abusive man and

c) a person who can see the need to protect female single sex provisions and to ensure children are protected from undergoing experimental medical treatments that have no evidence for improving mental health outcomes and can be argued is only to modify their bodies to suit an identity based on a philosophical belief.

And c) doesn’t change a) and b) and c) is a universal belief that crosses political boundaries boundaries. The polls in the UK and the USA all show that the majority of the population supports c) across all parties. Yet the Democratic Party won’t even support talking to women and detransitioners.

Isn’t it ridiculous that Trump was allowed by the Democratic Party to exploit these issues showing the Democratic party to be closed for discussion and evidence and not able to listen to women, detransitioners and their electorates?

I doubt whether Trump has any personal views on the issue. I doubt whether he understands half the words in the EOs.

I'll tell you who does have views, though. Lots of Americans. Relatives of girls deprived of sports prizes and places on teams and scholarships. Relatives of girls forced to shared toilets and changing rooms with boys (because that's transgirls are, and everyone knows it). People worried about their young family members being medicalised and operated in, to the detriment of their health. People angry that the costs of health insurance are inflated even further by the provision of hormones and surgeries to "transitioners". People who find out about incidents like the WiSpa debacle and are incensed.

Trump's team are behind the EOs. They wrote the EOs. They know what appeals to a very large number of voters.

We have been subjected to at least a thread of day saying that GC women are supporters of trump/right wing and thus our views are discredited

So yes I am feeling aggressive about it! We’ve fought for years in this country to turn the tide of TRA. We’ve been bullied, vilified, harrassed, mocked, patronised and now when we’ve managed to push back hard enough to be noticed, we’re told that we’re trump enablers or supporters just because he’s realised (unlike the democrats) there are votes in keeping men out of women’s sports

aggressive? I’m absolutely bloody furious!

It would only taint sex realism in the minds of the terminally stupid, and I’m not bothered by what they think anyway.

You don't have to be a narcissistic megalomaniac to know what male and female mean.

Surprising that anyone would even think so, or try to imply it.

1/10. You got one point for writing.

This angle seems to have entirely passed my BBC and Guardian follower parents by, if that makes anyone feel any better. Were his early moves widely reported in the UK?