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Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

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IwantToRetire · 25/03/2025 22:38

The Trump administration is planning to freeze tens of millions of dollars in federal grants to organizations providing family planning and other reproductive health services, as it reviews whether the funds violate the president’s order to cease all government-backed diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work.

A Health and Human Services spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal, which reported on the plan, that the department was reviewing grants to make sure they complied with the crackdown on DEI.

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

Planned Parenthood, whose affiliates could lose roughly $20 million if the paused grants are ultimately cut, reacted with alarm.

“The Trump-Vance-Musk administration wants to shut down Planned Parenthood health centers by any means necessary, and they’ll end people’s access to birth control, cancer screenings, STI testing and treatment, and more to do it,” Planned Parenthood Federation of America CEO Alex McGill Johnson told the newspaper.

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Change could impact thousands of clinics providing contraception and sexually transmitted infection testing

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

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Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 21:26

PippistrelleBat · 26/03/2025 21:15

The sacrifice of having to go to a different abortion provider?

Do you have any idea how many people have solely PP to go to, and even then they're travelling miles to get to one? The flippant way you suggest they go to another provider is not based in reality. If there was so many other clinics nationwide providing women's healthcare, antichoicers wouldnt target and smear PP so relentlessly.

Once again, the ease at which you discuss women losing access to healthcare is startling.

thenoisiesttermagant · 26/03/2025 21:29

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 21:26

Do you have any idea how many people have solely PP to go to, and even then they're travelling miles to get to one? The flippant way you suggest they go to another provider is not based in reality. If there was so many other clinics nationwide providing women's healthcare, antichoicers wouldnt target and smear PP so relentlessly.

Once again, the ease at which you discuss women losing access to healthcare is startling.

The government funding being frozen specifically does not cover abortion. PP funds this work in other ways.

So the freezing of this funding won't affect their abortion provision at all.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 21:31

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/03/2025 21:09

It is the right who are cutting women's services in America. That's what this thread is about: The cuts to women's services in the US.

The whataboutery is pathetic.

I can only assume you didn't read the thread.

Yes it is the right who are cutting women's services in America. But I am responding to the assertions made in this thread that the women here are right wing.

Furthermore, I do consider it a failure of the US left that they made support for women's sex based needs and rights to reproductive freedom dependant on voting for a party that would remove sex based rights in any other context, and indeed one that although it would support abortion rights nevertheless disconnected them from the wider context of female oppression.

We already know the hard right are going to oppress women. That is what they do.

Why is it such an issue for you for women to recognise failings of the left as well?

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 21:31

thenoisiesttermagant · 26/03/2025 21:25

It was already established up thread that the government funding specifically excluded PPs work providing abortions.

So freezing that funding should have no effect at all on access to abortion via PP.

And government funding is being temporarily frozen. PP is not being destroyed - as noted above some of its work is not funded by the government at all.

I already know that, but that doesn't or hasn't stopped politicians and activist continually targeting PP and calling for their closure. Adding another unfounded emotive accusation that they're sterilising children isn't helping. It's been a longheld argument that any government funding to PP could be reallocated to abortion which is why they don't want it to get any funding at all. Supporting any cuts to PP is not in the interest of women health or their rights.

nutmeg7 · 26/03/2025 21:36

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 20:05

I guess because left politics is less authoritarian and repressive than the further right approach which seeks to dominate, other, undermine and alienate with varying tactics to serve its own ends, and instead sees commonalities amongst oppressed identities and likewise extends support?

Left wing politics is only nice up until
the point you disagree with any aspect of the acceptable package of beliefs which must be accepted in totality.
Any dissent or questioning is absolutely not accepted, and the movement has a huge problem with intolerance. Witness the amount of bullying and hounding out of female members of the Lib Dem’s, Greens and Labour in the UK for querying the dominance of gender ideology.

Groupthink on both left and right can become very nasty.

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 21:37

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 21:31

I can only assume you didn't read the thread.

Yes it is the right who are cutting women's services in America. But I am responding to the assertions made in this thread that the women here are right wing.

Furthermore, I do consider it a failure of the US left that they made support for women's sex based needs and rights to reproductive freedom dependant on voting for a party that would remove sex based rights in any other context, and indeed one that although it would support abortion rights nevertheless disconnected them from the wider context of female oppression.

We already know the hard right are going to oppress women. That is what they do.

Why is it such an issue for you for women to recognise failings of the left as well?

I've asked you a few times who has accused anyone of being right wing and you fail to answer.

We already know the hard right are going to oppress women.

Yes we know that and now that their power has extended to being able to enact their wishes, shutting down discussion on their agenda by jumping to discussion about the lefts failures is odd. There's loads of threads on the left and their failures, why can't a thread on right wing attacks on abortion rights be just about that?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 21:37

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 20:57

Why do you need to bring up the left when people are justifiably outlining the right wing attacks on women's rights? Which left wing parties are attacking abortion rights? Why do you think party of women didn't run on a left wing platform out of interest, surely by your logic they should have to remove that line of attack from the right?

Please see my response to TooBigForMyBoots

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 21:38

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 21:37

Please see my response to TooBigForMyBoots

I did and it didn't address any of the questions in my post.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 21:42

I've asked you a few times who has accused anyone of being right wing and you fail to answer.

I don't think you did, but here you go

suggestionsplease1 · Today 08:28, page 1 of this thread. The post i first replied to, and why I've suggested several times to read my replies in context before reacting.

nutmeg7 · 26/03/2025 21:43

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 20:14

Are you saying right wing parties are? Or more so that "the left"?

Oh for god’s sake, just learn to read what is actually said and engage with it.

Saying that left wing associations have become intolerant of women arguing for their sex based rights is not the same as saying that right wing associations are somehow any better.

BraveSirRobinRanaway · 26/03/2025 21:47

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/03/2025 18:31

Firstly, I'm not a trans activist.Hmm
Secondly, are you saying that the price women have to pay for safeguarding children is their hard fought for sex based and reproductive rights?

You think it's binary?

I agree. It is anti-feminist and totally irresponsible to support cuts to women's sexual health services. Trump's trampling of DEI reverses everything that feminists fought for.

No one is supporting cuts to women’s sexual health services. We are supporting efforts to prevent further harm to children and vulnerable people by an organisation gone rogue. You seem to be the one suggesting it’s an either/or choice. I don’t remember feminists fighting for men to be recognised as women on demand and children to be harmed.

I have pointed out elsewhere that American women can still see primary care doctors or pharmacists for reproductive healthcare so while it’s harder for them due to the actions of PP, all is not lost. For those children who have been permanently harmed though, the solutions are less straightforward.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/03/2025 21:48

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 21:31

I can only assume you didn't read the thread.

Yes it is the right who are cutting women's services in America. But I am responding to the assertions made in this thread that the women here are right wing.

Furthermore, I do consider it a failure of the US left that they made support for women's sex based needs and rights to reproductive freedom dependant on voting for a party that would remove sex based rights in any other context, and indeed one that although it would support abortion rights nevertheless disconnected them from the wider context of female oppression.

We already know the hard right are going to oppress women. That is what they do.

Why is it such an issue for you for women to recognise failings of the left as well?

I've read the thread. The thread titled Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs.

Defending the Trump administration's attacks on women is a right wing thing. Pretending Trump's cuts and destruction of DEI initiatives are good for women's rights is a right wing thing. Blaming everyone else for the Trump administration is a right wing thing.

It's not a feminist thing. Feminism centres women. Not transwomen. Not Trump. Defending or supporting cuts to women's services and the reversal of the rights feminists fought hard for, because Trump or Trans, is anti-woman and anti-feminist.

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 21:50

nutmeg7 · 26/03/2025 21:43

Oh for god’s sake, just learn to read what is actually said and engage with it.

Saying that left wing associations have become intolerant of women arguing for their sex based rights is not the same as saying that right wing associations are somehow any better.

So why is the more important focus to be on left wing parties when right wing parties are working to revoke abortion access which is what the topic is.

PippistrelleBat · 26/03/2025 21:52

I guess because left politics is less authoritarian and repressive than the further right approach which seeks to dominate, other, undermine and alienate with varying tactics to serve its own ends

This is a misunderstanding of the left versus the right; it is about the masses (left) versus the individual (right). The focus of the left is equality which is bought at the expense of the freedom of the individual and as such is authoritarian and repressive. The focus of the right is freedom of the individual which is bought at the expense of equality with potential extremes of wealth and poverty.

PippistrelleBat · 26/03/2025 21:56

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/03/2025 21:48

I've read the thread. The thread titled Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs.

Defending the Trump administration's attacks on women is a right wing thing. Pretending Trump's cuts and destruction of DEI initiatives are good for women's rights is a right wing thing. Blaming everyone else for the Trump administration is a right wing thing.

It's not a feminist thing. Feminism centres women. Not transwomen. Not Trump. Defending or supporting cuts to women's services and the reversal of the rights feminists fought hard for, because Trump or Trans, is anti-woman and anti-feminist.

Trump might be anti-woman but Democrats deny women even exist as a seperate category.

BraveSirRobinRanaway · 26/03/2025 21:56

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 21:31

I already know that, but that doesn't or hasn't stopped politicians and activist continually targeting PP and calling for their closure. Adding another unfounded emotive accusation that they're sterilising children isn't helping. It's been a longheld argument that any government funding to PP could be reallocated to abortion which is why they don't want it to get any funding at all. Supporting any cuts to PP is not in the interest of women health or their rights.

It’s not unfounded. Are you aware of what happened to a girls body when you pump it with testosterone?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 21:57

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 21:38

I did and it didn't address any of the questions in my post.

I've been very clear about my position and I've replied to you several times.

I'm sorry you are unable to accept my position but nevertheless, it is my position, it is coherent and well considered and I have explained myself.

I am not going to waste my time answering the questions of someone who has no interest in finding common ground and just wants to pigeonhole me into their framework of tribal politics.

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 21:58

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 21:42

I've asked you a few times who has accused anyone of being right wing and you fail to answer.

I don't think you did, but here you go

suggestionsplease1 · Today 08:28, page 1 of this thread. The post i first replied to, and why I've suggested several times to read my replies in context before reacting.

To be fair, their post said FWR is targeted by those posting with an agenda that doesn't have women's rights in mind and instead post here gender critical views from a patriarchal right wing view that supports cuts to abortion etc as well. While you seem to have taken that as a personal attack calling you right wing idk, but your insistence to divert the topic away from the right wing agenda against PP isn't helping.

thenoisiesttermagant · 26/03/2025 21:59

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 21:50

So why is the more important focus to be on left wing parties when right wing parties are working to revoke abortion access which is what the topic is.

No, the topic is freezing funding that does not fund abortion and therefore the freezing of it will not affect abortion access at all.

StartEngine · 26/03/2025 21:59

PickAChew · 25/03/2025 22:41

I'm amazed this took them two whole months. This lot like their women barefoot and pregnant.

And riddled with diseases from men. Which isn’t good for fetuses either - but it was never about them anyway.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 21:59

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/03/2025 21:48

I've read the thread. The thread titled Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs.

Defending the Trump administration's attacks on women is a right wing thing. Pretending Trump's cuts and destruction of DEI initiatives are good for women's rights is a right wing thing. Blaming everyone else for the Trump administration is a right wing thing.

It's not a feminist thing. Feminism centres women. Not transwomen. Not Trump. Defending or supporting cuts to women's services and the reversal of the rights feminists fought hard for, because Trump or Trans, is anti-woman and anti-feminist.

I'm sorry, but if you think I am defending Trump you really have not read the thread.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/03/2025 22:05

PippistrelleBat · 26/03/2025 21:56

Trump might be anti-woman but Democrats deny women even exist as a seperate category.

Some do. Some don't. It doesn't matter. They're a useless mess since they lost.🤷‍♀️

Trump won. Trump is enacting anti-women policies. The Trump administration is damaging women's rights in the USA. Wanging on about the Democrats is whataboutery and an anti-feminist attempt to shift the focus to other stuff instead of addressing the actual erosion of women's rights and access to services.

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 22:07

BraveSirRobinRanaway · 26/03/2025 21:56

It’s not unfounded. Are you aware of what happened to a girls body when you pump it with testosterone?

Again your going to need to have some facts to back up calling women girls i.e. children and that PP are sterilising to defend supporting cuts to PP. Given there are people who have taken testosterone and gotten pregnant, while there is a risk of fertility damage you shouldn't be making a blanket villifying accusation against an organisation that is under attack as part of the agenda to roll back abortion rights if you claim to care about women. If you don't, just own it and say your primary concern is stopping CSH, but don't claim to be feminist. Even the language used is deliberately villifying, as though PPs agenda is to sterilised children instead of "I'm concerned that the healthcare people can access at PP could harm theor fertility" Vs "PP are sterilising children". This sort of tactic is deliberately used by the right wing to place blame on their target. I've simply asked you to be careful with your language given the rhetoric towards PP has invited people to feel justified attacking their clinics.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/03/2025 22:08

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 21:59

I'm sorry, but if you think I am defending Trump you really have not read the thread.

If you think that's what I said, you really have not read my post.

PippistrelleBat · 26/03/2025 22:09

I think American posters fail to understand British politics. In there is a terms of UK politics - the Democrats are right wing, and the republicans further right. The British mainstream right wing party (Conservatives) are to the left of the Democrats.