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Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

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IwantToRetire · 25/03/2025 22:38

The Trump administration is planning to freeze tens of millions of dollars in federal grants to organizations providing family planning and other reproductive health services, as it reviews whether the funds violate the president’s order to cease all government-backed diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work.

A Health and Human Services spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal, which reported on the plan, that the department was reviewing grants to make sure they complied with the crackdown on DEI.

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

Planned Parenthood, whose affiliates could lose roughly $20 million if the paused grants are ultimately cut, reacted with alarm.

“The Trump-Vance-Musk administration wants to shut down Planned Parenthood health centers by any means necessary, and they’ll end people’s access to birth control, cancer screenings, STI testing and treatment, and more to do it,” Planned Parenthood Federation of America CEO Alex McGill Johnson told the newspaper.

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Change could impact thousands of clinics providing contraception and sexually transmitted infection testing

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

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BraveSirRobinRanaway · 26/03/2025 18:12

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/03/2025 17:40

I agree. It is anti-feminist and totally irresponsible to support cuts to women's sexual health services. Trump's trampling of DEI reverses everything that feminists fought for.Angry

TWANW and I understand that the POTUS is addressing this problem. I'm suspicious of any "feminist" who supports the dismantling of women's rights.Hmm

Are you suggesting that in order to maintain women’s access to sexual health, the price we have to pay is harming children?

I sincerely support women’s rights to abortion and sexual healthcare and I think you don’t know the women of FWR very well if you think most of us don’t feel the same.

Why do trans activists need us to be the bad guys?

borntobequiet · 26/03/2025 18:13

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 10:59

Isn't it funny that the best countries in the world for women's reproductive healthcare also apparently don't know what a woman is? 🤔

The best countries for women’s reproductive health care are 1) wealthy 2) democracies 3) ones in which there exists some form of population-level health care (however funded) 4) ones in which women’s sex-based and reproductive rights are in some way defined and protected by legislation (for example, the right to maternity leave). All these predated the nonsense that is genderism, pretty much unheard of before the turn of the century by most people, at the earliest. So not ‘funny’ at all.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 26/03/2025 18:15

Beowulfa · 26/03/2025 09:10

This board is not populated in the main by women who care about women, it is populated by those fueling an agenda that will ultimately work against women.

I strongly refute this offensive claim by suggestionsplease1. This board is stuffed full of women who care passionately about women; from issues relating to sexual violence, teenage mental health, sport, toilet design, education and employment rights.

I think it is genuinely appalling behaviour to imply the majority are following some kind of sinister agenda that needs monitoring by Mumsnet HQ.

I thought it was that projection thing…

thats how I treat 90% of their posts 🤔

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 18:19

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 17:10

Firstly, Mumsnet HR are fully aware of this by the way, they have access to the posting stats - that is a very serious accusation. I know I am a woman in the UK who posts genuinely so at least one strongly gender critical voice here does not fit your claim, and if I exist (which I do) and the gender critical feminist women I meet in real life exist (which they do) Occam's razor suggests the other women here are also who they claim.to be.

So if you have genuine evidence that your claim is broadly true I suggest you post it, otherwise you just look like someone desperate to delegitimise real women's voices in favour of your ideological theories.

Secondly, even if your claim was true, why oh why oh why oh why have the organisations who are supposed to support women (in the original sex based meaning, these being the people who have historically been marginalised because of the sex of the bodies and the only group of people who face the consequences of the female reproductive role) made it so easy for these supposed malignant actors to do this by chaining the rights and needs of women (in the original sex based meaning) so tightly to the totally unrelated rights and needs of trans identifying people that it becomes impossible to support women's sex based needs without legitimising the sexist belief of gender identity?

I mean, even if you agree wholeheartedly with the political position of both groups there's still no need to shackle them two very different causes together into the same cause.

At best it results in lack of focus, conflicted messaging and unclear priorities. At worst, as you point out, it makes each cause vulnerable to entirely unrelated political action against the other.

I consider it an abject failure that the groups that are supposed to support women (in the original sex based meaning) with the challenges we face from being women (in the original sex based meaning) have so fundamentally compromised their core purpose and in doing so sacrificed their ability to support women when it really matters.

This was their choice not ours.

Why don't you ask Mumsnet to publish the information they have? I imagine they will be reluctant however if it could be used to identify people, other networks etc as it could conceivably leave them open to legal action.

Merrymouse · 26/03/2025 18:20

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 10:59

Isn't it funny that the best countries in the world for women's reproductive healthcare also apparently don't know what a woman is? 🤔

The US has the highest maternal mortality rate of any high income nation.

There is no federal right to maternity pay

Abortions are illegal in many states.

Unsurprisingly an inability to define woman corresponds with an inability to defend women's rights.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 18:26

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 08:59

No threat whatsoever, just pointing out that Mumsnet are aware of how FWR is targeted, as it seems like many posters don't know this.

Obviously MN is targetted, just as all the large social media sites are.

And here let's give kudos to MN that their ethical decision not to chase engagement via Likes and algo feeds undoubtably makes these bad actors' attempts to separate us into echo chambers harder.

However the leap of faith you have taken by asserting that the many women who post sceptical analysis of the sexist beliefs and sexist outcomes of genderism must therefore all be fake bad actors is offensive, unwarranted and frankly shows you up as the type of narrow minded sexist that can't envision women might have angry, articulate and diverse voices of our own.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/03/2025 18:31

BraveSirRobinRanaway · 26/03/2025 18:12

Are you suggesting that in order to maintain women’s access to sexual health, the price we have to pay is harming children?

I sincerely support women’s rights to abortion and sexual healthcare and I think you don’t know the women of FWR very well if you think most of us don’t feel the same.

Why do trans activists need us to be the bad guys?

Firstly, I'm not a trans activist.Hmm
Secondly, are you saying that the price women have to pay for safeguarding children is their hard fought for sex based and reproductive rights?

You think it's binary?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 18:31

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 18:19

Why don't you ask Mumsnet to publish the information they have? I imagine they will be reluctant however if it could be used to identify people, other networks etc as it could conceivably leave them open to legal action.

Because I am asking you to back up your claim by publishing the information you have that allows you to so confidently dismiss and delegitimise women with whom you disagree as fake accounts.

I'm sure the fact that this approach conveniently allowing you to side step engaging with the actual substance of women's objections to genderism is entirely coincidental.

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 18:40

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 18:31

Because I am asking you to back up your claim by publishing the information you have that allows you to so confidently dismiss and delegitimise women with whom you disagree as fake accounts.

I'm sure the fact that this approach conveniently allowing you to side step engaging with the actual substance of women's objections to genderism is entirely coincidental.

I'm sure you'll understand I have no wish to lay myself open to potential legal action either.

Sidestepping - don't make me laugh.

It is the dominant narrative of Mumsnet FWR to sidestep the huge issues impacting the health, wellbeing, social and economic rights of women by instead insisting on a myopic obsession with trans rights that plays right into the Trump playbook, shoring up his regime and legitimising his damaging policies, undermining women everywhere.

WhyTheHate · 26/03/2025 18:42

Every Republican government signs the Global Gag order on entry into the White House. Nothing to do with puberty blockers and everything to do with restricting access to abortion and sexual health services. (Every Democratic reverses it). This move against PP is not motivated by a desire to protect children. It is firmly in-line with Republican efforts - including the GGO - to prevent women accessing sexual and reproductive healthcare.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 19:07

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 18:40

I'm sure you'll understand I have no wish to lay myself open to potential legal action either.

Sidestepping - don't make me laugh.

It is the dominant narrative of Mumsnet FWR to sidestep the huge issues impacting the health, wellbeing, social and economic rights of women by instead insisting on a myopic obsession with trans rights that plays right into the Trump playbook, shoring up his regime and legitimising his damaging policies, undermining women everywhere.

Yes, the dominant topic on FWR is the detrimental impact that redefining the difference between men and women as mental has on actual women and girls who live in the world in female bodies and deal with the physical and social consequences of that.

Do you think therefore that the women here only care about this? Can you not envision that we also exist in the real world and whatever concerns we may have on FWR are simply one aspect of a rounded real world woman?

I will spell it out for you.

I post about the issues with genderism and why it is at heart a sexist and regressive ideology that hurts actual women and girls' rights, voices and autonomy on FWR because this is a message that needs to be heard and MN is one of the few places real women can safely state their objection to having a sexuat gender imposed upon them and explain why it is so wrong to do this to us.

I also in the real world donate time and money to many feminist causes, and directly support individual women with our shared challenges.

I don't need to talk about that on FWR because caring about these things does not seem to be controversial to some in the same way that bizarrely my right to exist and be recognised as a female person with different needs, experiences and challenges to male people, and my right to join with others like me in a political movement to fight the still-ongoing marginalisation and disempowerment of female people becase we are female, seem to be.

And noted you have no intention of backing up your claims, so I can only assume my original conclusion that these are baseless assertions thrown around to delegitimise women's voices was the correct one.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 19:16

And again I ask, if as you claim the right wing is using objections to genderism to undermine women's rights, why does the left not simply allow activism for women's sex based needs like reproductive freedom to exist as a separate thing to activism for gender identity needs like cross sex medical interventions and defuse that line of attack entirely?

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 19:17

BraveSirRobinRanaway · 26/03/2025 18:03

Are you aware of what happened to a child’s body when given puberty blockers or to girls when given testosterone? It causes serious and mostly irreversible harm.

In case you missed it as well, Planned Parenthood are causing serious harm to many. From the article on page 1

“Planned Parenthood was founded a century ago to promote birth control. Today, its nearly 600 clinics nationwide make it the largest single provider of abortion, contraception, reproductive care, and sex education in the U.S.
It has also, in less than a decade, become the country’s leading provider of gender transition hormones for young adults, according to insurance claim data. In 2015, around two dozen of their clinics began offering this service. Now it’s available at nearly 450 locations.”

An organisation set up to do good has totally lost its way and it is likely to be best to shut it down and replace it with a new organisation with sane leaders and employees that aren’t out to cause serious harm to so many kids.

The 35k are not all children on puberty blockers though, and currently PP aren't even doing puberty blockers only cross sex hormones. Whether I agree with it or not, they are at least providing gender affirming care on the same principal as they provide abortion services - bodily autonomy. Given still not a single poster knows how many children have been sterilised and yet continue to repeat such a vilifying claim, I don't think it's a good enough reason to be cheering on the rights attack on women's access to abortion. I'm surprised that PP claim to care about women's rights but are naive enough to claim Trump is doing this because of the trans issue as it he is gonna stop at that. They have been trying to get rid of PP for years because they know it's the only provider most have access to. Now they got women claiming to be feminists cheering it on.

Edited to add - have you stopped and done the maths before claiming you think it would be better off scrapped? Approx 4.5k women who access each of those clinics should lose their access to healthcare because you're concerned about an unknown % of the average of 77 patients per clinic who receive cross sex hormones you want to claim are children being sterilised. If you do, that's your perogative but own your priority being stopping trans hormone care, don't claim women's rights as your main agenda

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 19:27

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 19:16

And again I ask, if as you claim the right wing is using objections to genderism to undermine women's rights, why does the left not simply allow activism for women's sex based needs like reproductive freedom to exist as a separate thing to activism for gender identity needs like cross sex medical interventions and defuse that line of attack entirely?

Isn't that what most posters on here claim to be? Left wing activists who support women's sex based needs separate to gender identity needs?

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 19:35

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 18:03

Yes, leveraging this attack on PP to vilify gender critical women in the UK for not accepting the sexist precepts of gender identity instead of recognising how fucking stupid it was for a group that is under constant attack by right wing groups who want to deligitimise abortion to open themselves up to an attack because of activity that is unrelated to their core mission does indeed come across as it being more important to you to smear UK feminists as right wing than protect women's reproductive freedoms. HTH.

Again, I didn't call anyone right wing. Why do so many posters here take reference to right wing attacks on abortion care as a personal attack? There's many sensible GC people who can see that Trump etc don't give a toss about trans issues, their aim is still to dismantle abortion access and that they won't stop after removing the gender affirming care so they not going to fall for the bait of attacking women's current only provider based on a singular issue. Don't blame people highlighting overall that will harm more women as a smear attack, no one called you anything. Are you secretly right wing? You seem defensive.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 19:37

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 09:40

You know, so much of this thread just sounds like an apologist's creed for Trump's overarching ultimate political agenda to keep women in their place.

Well done everyone on helping him out.

No, that is how you want people to read it.

What this actually is is a bunch of women who are fucking furious that our bodies and our lives are still in the 21st century being used as counters to keep score in men's fucking stupid culture wars.

I'm fucking furious that the reactionary sexists who want to ban abortion out of some twisted idea of morality have a president who will do their bidding because all he cares about is parading that his side and therefore he won. (Because Trump doesn't actually give a shit either way, it's just a way to rub the losers' face in their loss by hurting things they care about)

And I'm fucking furious that the people who are supposed to care about women consider it justified to tell us that unless we capitulate to the belief that men can think themselves into womanhood we don't deserve to have our rights protected.

And I want to be able to fight for woman's rights and needs and to talk about the challenges and experiences of being a woman, and have that understood to be based on our shared sex because that is the fucking reality without having to justify that the experiences and needs of female people exist and are sometimes different from those of men even if those men happen to believe themselves to be women.

Hoardasurass · 26/03/2025 19:40

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 18:40

I'm sure you'll understand I have no wish to lay myself open to potential legal action either.

Sidestepping - don't make me laugh.

It is the dominant narrative of Mumsnet FWR to sidestep the huge issues impacting the health, wellbeing, social and economic rights of women by instead insisting on a myopic obsession with trans rights that plays right into the Trump playbook, shoring up his regime and legitimising his damaging policies, undermining women everywhere.

So are you claiming to have obtained this data from @mnhq If so who gave you it? If not where did you get it?
You've painted yourself into a corner here @suggestionsplease1 either your talking out your arse or you've misappropriation personal data from mmumsnet so which is it are you a criminal or a liar trying to scare women off this site

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/03/2025 19:46

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 19:37

No, that is how you want people to read it.

What this actually is is a bunch of women who are fucking furious that our bodies and our lives are still in the 21st century being used as counters to keep score in men's fucking stupid culture wars.

I'm fucking furious that the reactionary sexists who want to ban abortion out of some twisted idea of morality have a president who will do their bidding because all he cares about is parading that his side and therefore he won. (Because Trump doesn't actually give a shit either way, it's just a way to rub the losers' face in their loss by hurting things they care about)

And I'm fucking furious that the people who are supposed to care about women consider it justified to tell us that unless we capitulate to the belief that men can think themselves into womanhood we don't deserve to have our rights protected.

And I want to be able to fight for woman's rights and needs and to talk about the challenges and experiences of being a woman, and have that understood to be based on our shared sex because that is the fucking reality without having to justify that the experiences and needs of female people exist and are sometimes different from those of men even if those men happen to believe themselves to be women.

Although the anti women posters are both tedious & frustrating with their disingenuous ramblings, they do inspire brilliant, passionate and insightful posts like this one in response.

Thank you @FlirtsWithRhinos Flowers

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 19:55

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/03/2025 19:46

Although the anti women posters are both tedious & frustrating with their disingenuous ramblings, they do inspire brilliant, passionate and insightful posts like this one in response.

Thank you @FlirtsWithRhinos Flowers

Who has posted a single anti women sentiment here? 🤔

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 20:03

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 19:27

Isn't that what most posters on here claim to be? Left wing activists who support women's sex based needs separate to gender identity needs?

No, they do not "claim to be" left wing activists who support women's sex based needs separate to gender identity needs, they are left wing activists who support women's sex based needs separate to gender identity needs.

I can only assume you nust have missed the context of this post.

I was explaining to another poster that the reason FWR has so much on this topic is because it is one of the few places this distinction can be made.

Most supposedly "left wing" spaces do not allow women to define themselves by their shared sex and therefore the voices of gender critical left wing women like many on FWR are artificially removed, creating a misleading impression.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/03/2025 20:03

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 19:16

And again I ask, if as you claim the right wing is using objections to genderism to undermine women's rights, why does the left not simply allow activism for women's sex based needs like reproductive freedom to exist as a separate thing to activism for gender identity needs like cross sex medical interventions and defuse that line of attack entirely?

This is not about RW vs LW. This is about Trump's administration damaging women! And the women who so easily relinquish what the feminists before them fought so hard for.

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 20:05

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 19:16

And again I ask, if as you claim the right wing is using objections to genderism to undermine women's rights, why does the left not simply allow activism for women's sex based needs like reproductive freedom to exist as a separate thing to activism for gender identity needs like cross sex medical interventions and defuse that line of attack entirely?

I guess because left politics is less authoritarian and repressive than the further right approach which seeks to dominate, other, undermine and alienate with varying tactics to serve its own ends, and instead sees commonalities amongst oppressed identities and likewise extends support?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 20:06

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/03/2025 20:03

This is not about RW vs LW. This is about Trump's administration damaging women! And the women who so easily relinquish what the feminists before them fought so hard for.

I think you need to direct that point to the posters who are using Right Wing as an accusation to.silence women.

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 20:08

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 20:03

No, they do not "claim to be" left wing activists who support women's sex based needs separate to gender identity needs, they are left wing activists who support women's sex based needs separate to gender identity needs.

I can only assume you nust have missed the context of this post.

I was explaining to another poster that the reason FWR has so much on this topic is because it is one of the few places this distinction can be made.

Most supposedly "left wing" spaces do not allow women to define themselves by their shared sex and therefore the voices of gender critical left wing women like many on FWR are artificially removed, creating a misleading impression.

So a left wing that does allow women to define themselves exist then, so why are you accusing 'the left' of not doing it? And removed from where? It sounds like your blaming "the left" for the rights attack on abortion rights, when no one is forcing anyone to support them in their aim by vilainising PP.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/03/2025 20:10

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/03/2025 20:06

I think you need to direct that point to the posters who are using Right Wing as an accusation to.silence women.

Are you on glue?😆

No one is being silenced on this thread. Your victim mentality is showing.