Yet more disgraceful NHS behaviour against nurses

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https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1903719814897586583?s=61&t=gKvvk-rWmOlYFGMZN8QVvQ
When a nurse with years of exemplary service is disciplined by the NHS for referring to a male prisoner brought into hospital in handcuffs as ‘Mister”, despite the same prisoner having to be restrained from attacking her and calling her n**r several times, then its clear the NHS is no longer fit for purpose.

Men with special identities are exempt. Every whim and wish must be adhered to.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/3802129-The-Composition-and-Demographics-of-the-Growing-Trans-Population?reply=93321510

From a thread on Blanchard's research.

'When I looked at the relative numbers of autogynephilic and androphilic gender-dysphoric males back in 1987, the autogynephilic cases were already a majority, approaching 60 percent. The proportion had reached 75 percent by 2010, and it might be even higher now ( Ray Blanchard)'

Why is the respect only going one way?

Anyone who wants to imitate a group as a fetish should be able to muster enough respect for others to not do it in public around members of that group.

And trying to coerce members of that group to participate should be utterly beyond the pale.

Female staff should have the right to be respected by colleagues and the public.

There are obviously situations where a nurse might be wise to use a 'white lie' to maybe calm down a drunk patient or reassure a scared one. However, everyone else present knows it is a lie and understands the reason why this is being done.

The pronouns issue is different because it is being used by DEI and NHS Managers as a test of fealty. The nurse has no choice; her speech is being compelled and she is being asked to pretend to believe or, better still, actually believe that a man can become a woman. She has to show everyone around her that she complies with this, in order to encourage everyone else to do the same. Institutional power is being wielded to force her to repeatedly say something that she knows is not true. You can see quite clearly that this is the situation from the strength of the reaction to this refusal to bow down before the Gender Ideology. An ideology that has never been properly debated and accepted by society through our usual democratic processes.

The #BeKind to the patient argument is just a trojan horse to embed the ideology. If anyone actually cared about the patient, then their belief that they can truly become a woman would never have been indulged in the first place.

How do you think their treatment should proceed? It will proceed following the norms of her professional role that is to treat him like every other man in her care, he has probably already been given the privilege of a side room as he will decline to go in the ward with the men and the women certainly don’t want him! Still not happy wants to be called Miss. Jesus NHS stop this bloody pandering!

The huge problem here is that, in making “transitioning” a medical treatment that is effectively not diagnosed, but given on demand, the medical profession have unleashed a monster.

It is them who have encouraged a load of delusional patients to believe a falsehood. They have taught those patients that the world is going to bend round them, or at the very least failed to prepare them for the fact that the world won’t, putting their fingers in their ears as those patients listen to the fanatics who are insisting that is what must happen.

And of course, as it’s on demand treatment and doesn’t require any diagnosis other than self-diagnosis, it’s wide open to liars and criminals to abuse it, for their pleasure or for personal gain.

It is the medical profession who have given this appalling ideology credibility. I hope and pray that it can be reversed in my lifetime. I can’t imagine how that nurse felt. The paedophile had already upset another member of staff and she, as the senior member of staff, had to go in and deal with it.

I hope that, if it does come down to whether it’s illegal to use the correct pronouns for male perverts, that she wins her case. I guess though, like so many other of these cases, it may simply come down to whether the correct procedures and protocols have been used, and the pronoun use may still remain unaddressed.

The way she handled this isn't professional and isn't good care.

What rot.

The nurse was not talking to the patient but about him to a doctor who needed to know the sex of the patient to give the required doses of medication. Flapping about and obfuscating would have made the conversation longer and more complicated stating facts got to the nub of the issue that needed resolving that is good, professional care.

Pandering to delusions does no-one any good.

She was accused of ‘not respecting the patient’s preferred identity’ and told her actions and behaviour had ‘fallen short of the Trust’s value of Respect’.

I doubt if the patient identifies as a paedophile. I expect he identifies as someone who just wants to share love with a child. Should the legal system respect that preferred identity? When did we have a conversation about which preferred identities we should compel others to respect?

Usually @RosesAndHelleborestalks a lot of sense. Not so much today, I see. This case is absolutely despicable. I've used St Helier (but only paediatric A&E) and have always found them to be wonderful. But disciplining a nurse for reasonably exercising her protected (under the EA 2010) beliefs is outrageous. Roses, I suggest you go and read the Higgs v Farmor judgment to see why the trust is on a hiding to nothing here.

Of course the legalities leave aside the absolute lunacy of the NHS approach to gender woo. After reading Prof Sullivan's report this weekend, I am feeling more gloomy than usual about the state of affairs. Straight off the back of the revelations in the Newman case (which is still ongoing) I have zero confidence in the public sector right now.

If this story was produced by Terf Island Productions to enrage the public it could not work better. Picture this....

Photo: a woman who looks warm, friendly, and competent, like she was cast to play the role of Nurse Trustworthy.

Setting; A busy, understaffed NHS hospital ward

Story: A huge chained convicted paedophile racially abuses and physically threatens a nurse who misgendered him....The nurse is punished by the NHS.

Notes: Awful, but can it have a twist ?

The misgendered paedophile pretended to be a teenage girl to lure his boy victims.

Cue: Outrage.

Oh and the nurse was discussing the patient's need for a catheter in his penis at the time. And the nurse has lost hours because of this...

Now expand the story to issues of medical data, freedom of speech, compelled speech, freedom of belief, if using preferred pronouns in court prejudices the case and is unfair on the victims, violent trans women in prisons and hospital wards, institutional capture, NHS waiting times, disincentives for women working in Nursing.... and throw in some stuff about imposing woke values on Immigrants and Religions...

I'm surprised that nobody has yet commented on the fact that one of the guards said to the nurse "can't you just call him what he wants you to" !!? (Bold is mine)

The guards called him a him. But the nurse is up in court. And they obviously know he's a man. It's crazy.

I know it's the Daily Mail, but how about this headline..?

When nurse Jennifer inadvertently called a burly 6ft transgender paedophile Mr, the sex offender attacked her and called her the N-word three times. So guess who was investigated by the NHS and labelled a danger to the public

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14526813/nurse-Jennifer-Melle-racism-transgender-paedophile-sex-offender-NHS.html

I expect that absolutely nobody is surprised that of the two, it was the women who was hauled over the coals for wrongthink and daring to state material fact, while the man got off scot free.

Pronouns do not cost nothing.

I will not lie. That is a line in the sand I will not cross. It would cost my conscience dearly to straight out lie - and I am not prepared to do that.

Maybe he’s transage as well as transgender… 🤔

Odd that the estate is rushing to call him a paedophile - they will accept that he’s a woman, but not a girl ‘just trying to get a date’

Fucking madness.

I'm totally for protecting women's spaces, but pronouns cost nothing.

Not the case at all.

Did you miss the recent Sandy Peggie hearing where both sides made applications to the judge to be able to use the pronouns that they wished. Both sides.

The judge granted Sandy's team the right to use male pronouns throughout. Because it is not only understood that they are highly significant, but that it is completely legal use correct sex pronouns. If the NHS is saying otherwise, they are wrong.

To those who think it's only right that this nurse use female pronouns, do you think that the children who were lured into committing sex acts by this man pretending to be a girl should also use them?

Or do his demands for pronouns look respectable sometimes, but not others?

It’s possible the guard said it out of the hearing of the paedophile.

It has crossed my mind this morning, that the nurse may actually have, in full knowledge of what would happen, put herself in the line of fire to test the pronouns question.

I’ve often wondered about the issue of correctly sexing individuals who object and where the line is drawn.

I agree, nobody should have to use false pronouns, but if it is assumed this nurse did so in the hearing of this man, with the intent of riling him up (I confess, I might too, in the moment, if he was being an absolute pain - I have been rude to obnoxious drunk clients before, when complete professionalism would have led me to be polite, even as the other person was being an arsehole) would a judge consider that to be deliberately causing offence?

It would, I imagine, have been possible to describe what she was seeing in medical terms. “Patient name” is a patient who is male, but transitioning.”

As I said before, unfortunately medics have given legitimacy to the nonsensical idea that these patients should be pandered to in terms of pronouns, so loudly calling him “mister” in his hearing (rather than a clear medical description) might be considered inflammatory because of that legitimization.

It shouldn’t be a nuanced situation. She ought to be perfectly within her rights, but I think, in a court case, if the question comes up, she might unfortunately, not win.

This is not me saying she shouldn’t have done what she did. I am just slightly pessimistic, given the current situation we are in, which is obviously far from ideal.

If she loses, that would be horrifically authoritarian and definitely worth taking to appeal.

The guard would have a different employer - do we know that there definitely wasn't a complaint?

The nurse was on Free Speech Nation last night (clip on X). She seems like a nice lady who isn’t acting out of any sense of unpleasantness, just a person who has strongly held Christian beliefs.

I'm totally for protecting women's spaces, but pronouns cost nothing.

They cost women everything. Pretend pronouns enforced using threats, coercion and sometimes violence are the reason women no longer have single sex spaces.

They are why so many women, like this nurse, are being purposefully abused by their employers and sacrificed at an alter of unscientific, misogynistic twaddle.

The NHS appears to be leading the way on the above.

Has anyone got a pic of this chap so we can have a laugh - for If we don’t laugh we might cry!

The guy probably came from High Down prison a few miles from St Helier. Interesting that the first transgender prison wing for people with a GRC identification as female was opened at the women’s prison next door (Downview). Believe I first read about that here on Mumsnet when there was a protest about it.

Totally agree with you OvaHere.

I'm totally for protecting women's spaces, but pronouns cost nothing.

How exactly do you keep men out of women's spaces when you are referring to the obvious male who wants to enter said space as she? It's just dangerous nonsense. Pronouns have a devasting cost as is being proven over and over again.

I'm totally for protecting women's spaces, but pronouns cost nothing.

They cost everything - see headlines about "Woman sent to prison for....." followed by an article about a thuggish looking bloke who insists that he's "she".