Yet more disgraceful NHS behaviour against nurses

[Soontobe60]

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1903719814897586583?s=61&t=gKvvk-rWmOlYFGMZN8QVvQ
When a nurse with years of exemplary service is disciplined by the NHS for referring to a male prisoner brought into hospital in handcuffs as ‘Mister”, despite the same prisoner having to be restrained from attacking her and calling her n**r several times, then its clear the NHS is no longer fit for purpose.

However that doesn't alter the fact that the nurse could have referred to the patient as first name, last name "and they identify as female"

Why would a doctor need to know this information when having a clinical conversation about catheter care? The nurse was speaking directly to a doctor who simply needed the necessary facts to advise on care.

The patient overheard the conversation and took offence at a description of reality: the reality that the patient is a male who needed catheter care. Most people who hold a belief that contradicts observable science recognise that not everyone holds that belief and that this is OK e.g. Christians who believe in creationism recognise that it's not offensive when scientists talk about the big bang in their earshot.

The way she handled this isn't professional and isn't good care.

I disagree. After the patient overheard her conversation with the doctor, the nurse tried to find a way to adjust how she spoke about the patient in future conversations. From the DM article, this is what she said directly to the patient:

‘I am sorry I cannot refer to you as “her” or “she”, as it’s against my faith and Christian values but I can call you by your name.’

That's a great way of handling it from a dignity perspective. It means the patient gets the "dignity" of not hearing sex-based pronouns again and the nurse gets the "dignity" of not having to compromise her own values. I don't have a Christian faith but I won't compromise my own values either: I won't use someone's preferred pronouns if they differ from their sex because I do not believe that people have a gender identity (nor do I use sex-based pronouns in this scenario, because I'm aware that some people do believe in this and that for some believers it's distressing to hear sex-based pronouns being used). My own approach is very similar to the nurse's. I can well imagine finding myself in a situation where I say something that I subsequently realise may have been perceived as offensive, owing to someone's belief. In that situation, I would do the same as the nurse did and look for a solution that didn't compromise my own values - and in this case, risk compromising patient care (the doctor on the phone needed to know that the patient was male. The patient's belief was irrelevant to that particular conversation).

So many handmaidens on here - so sad defending a chap who has lost a hard working lass half her income which she probably spends on supporting her family - stupid stupid stupid comment pronouns cost nothing - shame on you

Maya has rounded up some of the possible candidates for Mr X with pics. Strangely it is a rather long list, but I thought this "never happens".

Proceed at your own risk.

Maya Forstater
So who is "Mr X" the trans identifying man held in high security male prison after multiple convictions for luring boys into sex acts while pretending to be a teenage girl on social media?
https://x.com/MForstater/status/1903883694567309516

I agree with previous posters this racist nonce monster almost could be designed by Terf planners. Only as we know here the number of racist sexist criminals using trans labels is off the scale. The crazy thing is how many escape publicity.

Anyway this has all the ingredients of being another mass Peakening event. Nice nurse, horrific criminal. Great timing with elections incoming.

I'm totally for protecting women's spaces, but pronouns cost nothing.

For those of you who haven't already read this:
https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

Yes, absolute madness.

And the nurse said her white colleague called the crim male, too, without being sanctioned. This is all sounds so unfair, I hope it blows up in the NHS' face.

I posted on Maya's Rogue's Gallery and have been followed by Musk.

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...does that mean this case is about to be absolutely everywhere?

Now that Musk has noticed you, you will surely be the one who finally gets that great big cheque from the 'US religious right' that we have been promised for years!

However that doesn't alter the fact that the nurse could have referred to the patient as first name, last name "and they identify as female"

this won't work either.

There are plenty of actual women who will say they identify as female.

She would also have to add "but has male genitalia and a catheter in situ" (so the doctor would have the correct information). No doubt the individual would have responded angrily to that.

Latest ! Looks like all the pesky nurses who know biology are joining together. Female Avengers Assemble! Terf Island keeps winning.

Darlington Nursing Union

NHS nurse, Jennifer Melle, joins the Darlington Nursing Union. Welcome Jennifer!

Sandie Peggie has already joined the DNU.

Pronouns have cost far too much already !!! They are the thin end of the wedge , a lot of the nonsense grew from, “ oh it’s just a pronoun, be kind” No , actually I’m not going to lie and I shouldn’t be expected to go along with the delusions of others.

Willandra · Today 10:43

...does that mean this case is about to be absolutely everywhere?

Oh, I hadn't thought of that!

FlowchartRequired · Today 10:43

Now that Musk has noticed you, you will surely be the one who finally gets that great big cheque from the 'US religious right' that we have been promised for years!

Oh great! I could do with some money. I'll let you know if it arrives before I kick the bucket...

JKR has also shared the thread.

J.K. Rowling

But remember, there's no evidence any man would ever pretend to be a woman to enable sexual predation. Except for all these men, obviously...

Maya's thread has 643.1K Views at the moment. More to follow.

Does Musk hold the purse strings of the US religious right?

If so, Sinner, you're in for a payout. If not, keep doing the Lottery.

I've just seen on twitter that Jennifer has joined the Darlington Nurses Union.

Great stuff. I think Sandie Peggie did, too? I hope lots more nurses join.

It isn't just a matter of the misrepresentation of the 2010 act over protected beliefs, the key point is that biological sex is a factor in treating a patient and should be recorded accurately. In a phone call to a doctor to discuss a patient and their treatment the description needs to be specific, not indirect and leaving the doctor to guess the reality - "patient identifies as female" does not clearly state the relevant fact of "biological male" .

This has nothing to do with use of courtesy titles and treating men and women with equity (which I agree is absolutely a massive issue in the NHS). Women are second class patients in health care, patient data should clearly state the biological sex of a patient (with identity as an addional data point if useful) - both these are true.

The misrepresentation of the 2010 act is endemic through the public and quasi public sectors courtesy of a decade of Stonewall "education". The extent to which trusts have willingly lied (in legal process) about the sex of a patient or member of staff is depressing.
The Sullivan report should be mandatory reading - the data quality issues alone caused by the failure to clearly separate biology from identity will be with us for decades.

I don’t know what’s come over me 🙃 but I’d have enjoyed shoving a catheter up his lady penis 😇 I’m just a bad girl aren’t I ? … and I’m not a nurse but who cares really, he’s not a woman either,

I'm sure that you could simply identify as a nurse. After all, that's the way it works - right, kids?

1hr.18mins.30secs. 🙂

I completely agree with every point, @C8H10N4O2.

Yes.

https://x.com/darlingtonunion/status/1904122890192121927?

I wonder if any nurses will join without having to contemplate tribunal action. I hope so.

I wonder if any nurses will join without having to contemplate tribunal action. I hope so.

This is what Trade Unionism should be about - getting together to improve conditions. It's a pity that NMC, Unison, etc. have completely forgotten this and think their main purpose is to support trans women.