M Newman V Met Police Employment Tribunal

[Justme56]

Just wondering if anyone is following this on TT. It’s quite bizarre. The first witness attended the Trans Training session which I gather is where the discrimination stems (see attached statement) and has been questioned by AM the barrister for the police. AM is referencing the Wikipedia page of Kellie Jay Keen as evidence. Apparently wiki is not anti gender critical. 🤷🏻‍♀️. It seems to be covering a whole host of other stuff too - quite an eye opener.

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1899460916191597049?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10x1bvutNvphHgxMtTdBc7n8s4wA2i_1u/view

I think WY is her Junior. Good training, a case like this.

It's his side hustle, for when the music and acting gigs are quiet...

WY - Will Young, barrister for claimant
KE - Karl Eccott, Metropolitan Police Officer

WY - C says you call M Thatcher a bitch. You have given this talk a number of times, you say, and do you accept you used this on the occasion the C says?
KE - could have
KE- I accept some people use this as a misog term. However I am not misoginistic.#
KE - you were using it about a woman
WY - do you accept that it is not approp to use this about a woman
KE I think context is important when working with a diverse group, esp harsh treatment of LGBT community
This is how I break tension in the room
This is about creating historical awareness
WY in this context isn't even more inapprop
KE -[repeats prev answer]

WY -C says you said 'terfs were a bunch of lesbians who wrongly think it's rape if a trans woman has sexual intercourse with a woman without the tw revealing sex

OMFG

WY - same email second para Sgt E QandA
In that para, the C wrote you said there was no misogny in police. The female police officers are just as bad as the men. Did you say that
I did not say that
WY - is that a view you hold
KE - no
WY - so misogyny is deep seated?
KE - yes [discusses history of women in police]
WY - can you see how lang used at that session led the C to think there was a problem with misogyny

I mean I know we knew the police were captured but I just don't have words to say how appalling this is! Literally jaw dropping.

It does go a long way in explaining why the police have failed to intervene when TRA’s declare violence on a loud speaker, and they fail to protect the CLAW women

What the bloody hell is going on?!
That's the "ice breaker"?! 🤯
They assume everyone in the room hates Margaret Thatcher and finds that funny?! Isn't that helping to rewrite history?
Using slurs, whipping-up hatred towards women?
Left-wing bias?
Context?!
Poor, poor, poor people?
"He's not a misogynist" !
"Terfs were a bunch of lesbians who wrongly think it's rape if a transwoman has sexual intercourse with a woman without the tw revealing sex." [1]
🤯
The police, the training and the trainers
are all hideous misogynists.
KE sounds like a manipulative man.

[1] So they do still recognise the word sex then?!

I cannot see this. I don't have access. Would someone please post screenshots?

The Police bloody loved Thatcher at the time.

Tell me about is i was a miners wife at the time misogynist comments were common.

Also please vipers realise that the GC movement comes from the left and right.

The cousin, enlightening them as to the nature of the person they had had a sexual encounter with, caused them to feel embarrassed. One thing led to another and the patient was charged with sexual assault. Given that he was in a kneeling position at the time and that it would have been perfectly possible for either one of the males concerned to run away this seemed a bit implausible. In the end, he was convicted of being reckless as regard to age. This does place him on the sex offenders register, though. One suspects that he would never have been charged at all if he had been a born female.

Well yes, because an 18 year old woman who fellated a 15 yo boy and a 16yo boy wouldn't have invalidated their consent by lying about her sex and they would have been unlikely to complain to the police about getting blowjobs whilst underage.

That whole passage demonstrates beautifully how pronouns are rohypnol and how this special class expect not to be prosecuted for sexual assault under circumstances very similar to those under which Justine McNally rightly was.

Reading the Telegraph Article

"Colin Wingrove, a Scotland Yard commander, said it had been “…a means for our LGBT+ staff network to discuss trans and non-binary issues, thereby exercising their right to freedom of expression.

At the same time, he insisted, “The MPS recognises that people with gender-critical views are entitled to hold and express those views.”

Wingrove rejected the claim that there had been a breach of the police Code of Ethics, saying that a review by the force had already concluded that “independent members of the public” who spoke at the trans event were not subject to this code."

But shouldn't they be expressing these views outside work hours?

For comparison, I can understand why the police would speak to both pro-Palestinian and Jewish groups about policing of protests, but I wouldn't expect them to invite either group to express their political views at a police sponsored event.

Bloody Hell, this is dynamite, isn't it? Even if they win, they've shown themselves up as grossly unprofessional. They have some awareness of how awful they look, with all the can't recall, I may have said similar stuff they've come out with.

From the morning session

"KM: I don't have active hatred for GC ppl. Everyone has equal rights to safety. Had no reason to think anyone with GC beliefs to attend the event, it wasn't planned with them in mind, though, they were welcome if they did.
...they could attend if they wish to but didn't expect them to be there, event wasn't planned with them being there in mind."

I don't understand the point of the event. If it's not for all staff, why was it being organised by the Met?

Members of lobby organisations, invited speakers, and (paid) advisers are not “independent members of the public”.

Did anyone else note that mumsnet was mentioned by the TRAs

KM:I don't have active hatred for GC ppl

Meaning that KM hates but hasn't been physically violent in an individual capacity recently?

Good on Melanie Newman for whistle blowing this shit show.

Yes. "I have hatred for GC people, but it isn't active hatred" is rather eye-catching.

From the Newman's statement

"My initial training was delivered at Anglia Ruskin University and consisted of
Powerpoint slides made by Babcock, a commercial training provider to the MPS. The training on equalities and the protected characteristics of sex and gender
reassignment appeared confused. One set of slides presented the fact that men
make up 95% of prison populations as an example of how men experience sexism and said the disparity was due to “gender stereotyping”. [1] [Note: these numbers are place-holders, and will be replaced by bundle references in due course.] Another suggested the class discuss a MailOnline survey that said only 3% of women offer to pay their share on a date. [2]"

What?????

@Merrymouse it would be hard to believe what Newman claims, but it is clear that this will be placed in the bundle as proof.

its fucking wider than trans ID its full on men’s movement, incels etc

Babcock?
the engineering consultancy?
why are they training the met?!?

I couldn't work that out.

Babcock pomegranates would make more sense...

HOW can we get this exposed on all MSM? It's just appalling! And surely HAS to breach any police codes?? How have all our institutions been so captured by this batshit crazy ideology SO EASILY???

No idea why but here’s the details on Babcock training https://www.babcockinternational.com/what-we-do/support/training/metropolitan-police-service-training/