Lesbian mistaken for trans woman in woman's bathroom in Arizona

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https://www.advocate.com/news/lesbian-mistaken-transgender-arizona-walmart

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masculine-looking-cis-woman-confronted-by-cops-in-walmart-restroom-kalaya-morton-demands-justice-video/ar-AA1AdWpn

But I thought people "can always tell"?

It also led to the irony the only males in the bathroom were two male police officers who were notified by a store employee who mistakenly thought a male had entered the woman's toilets.

"In an alarming incident at a Tucson, Arizona Walmart, 19-year-old Kalaya Morton*, a Black cisgender lesbian, was confronted by two male sheriff’s deputies while using the women’s restroom, sparking outrage and a demand for accountability.
Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,” recounted the humiliating encounter that occurred when a store employee erroneously assumed she was a transgender woman. The saga began innocuously enough: Morton had entered the restroom with her ex-girlfriend, who was kindly handing her a tampon— an act of friendship that, unfortunately, soon spiraled into something far more troubling. In an exclusive interview with The Advocate, Morton detailed her shock when the two deputies barged in, shining flashlights into the restroom stall.

“You have to get out of here. You have to come out. We need to talk to you.” Imagine trying to pee in peace, only to have the police storm in like it’s an episode of Cops: Restroom Edition.
“I’m still using the restroom. I’m sitting down, I’m peeing. What is the issue?,” Morton incredulously told the deputies as she sat there.
Now, while most people hope for a streamlined bathroom experience, Morton was treated more like a suspect than a bathroom user. The deputies apparently needed to crack the case of “Who Looks Like a Man in the Ladies’ Room,” a particularly absurd mystery, if you ask us."

I am considerably baffled as to the presence and activity of the ex-girlfriend 🤔. Warrants serious research.

@CarobBean72

I hope you are completely recovered.

Given the stats of the threat police officers face to women, I'd rather not have them in the women's loos policing women and you have no right to consent that on any of our behalves.

Yes not remotely surprising who the OP is.

GC feminists aren't saying that though. Its not a feminist position.

This is an open site. Anyone can post in the feminist boards and the discussions appear in active threads.

Just because someone is posting here it does not mean they have a feminist perspective or a GC one. The fact this thread was started by a trans activist should be evidence enough of that for you.

(The GC feminist position, btw, is that any woman can live and behave and present as she pleases and she will still be a woman. We reject sex-based stereotypes. HTH)

Consent...to the police? Do you know how the police work?

You need to be a bit cleverer than that with that level of disingenuousness.
I didn’t consent to trans identified men in ANY single sex spaces yet plenty of people, like you presumably, told me I was a bigot for protesting against it.
I refer you to my earlier comment about voting for the Leopards Eating People’s Faces party.

But society has to run on generalist lines, lines which are accepted by and adhered to by the majority.

I am really sorry that some women are mistaken for men and it upsets them; I am a bit less sorry if they have set out to ‘look like men’, because one has to allow for a measure of success in their self presentation, which normally would be gratifying.

The problem is that everyone else can’t understand the motivations and intricacies of the presentation of total strangers. This woman wants to take ‘legal advice’ to prevent being mistaken for a man….on what planet? How can a total stranger be prevented from making a genuine mistake? The police calling employee presumably just saw someone of masculine build, dressed in a masculine way, entering a female ‘bathroom’. Mindful of unfortunate outcomes in similar situations, they took action to prevent them, and to enforce the agreed code of conduct ( single sex bathrooms) in that establishment.

The code of conduct which prevents distress is that people of both sexes respect single sex spaces. If that code has not been broken, courtesy on both sides would be a sort of remedy for a mistake.

For a minute there I thought you meant recovered from the positively genocidal hurty-feels experience of being briefly mistaken for the sex I’m not! 🤣

Ah, you meant the cancer!

Yes: I’ve been clear more than 10 years now.

So far so good!

Oh for sure any other thread of someone uses the term "women's clothes" or "mens clothes" several regular posters pile on to question what exactly those are and why the poster is enforcing "gender stereotypes" they're all just conveniently not on this thread 🤔

I once had someone come and knock on the shower door to tell me I was in the ladies changing room. I am a woman but I was working in a male dominated industry and work clothes (think high vis and safety boots) were hanging outside.

It was embarrassing I am tall and not terribly feminine but I am a female. I’d rather People were free to challenge though as voice is obviously a womans.

Nope not me and I also never called you a bigot. This wasn't a trans identified man - it was a woman. It wasn't even someone accusing someone of being a trans identified man was it? They suspected it was a man. It's almost like men don't actually have to pretend to be women if they wanted to access a toilet to harm a woman..

And you still don't get to consent for me for male cops to be brought into the woman's toilets. What if I was washing out my soaked period underwear in there for example?

Given the stats of the threats that trans identified men pose to women I’d rather not have them in my single sex spaces, and you have no right to consent to that on my behalf.

By consent where I'm from! And I don't consent to MALE police officers in FEMALE facilities. The irony that there was no men in this toilet until a terf nvited them in.

Where did I? Feel free to quote.

But you consent to trans identified men in women’s spaces. You make absolutely no sense. Nice that the insults have arrived, I am all astonishment 😂

Where did I consent to that though? Again, please quote me. Do you agree or not with male police officers on the women's toilets policing a woman for not looking womanly enough?
You can take TERF as an insult if you like, bit weird of you though

All things being equal, if there is a bit of a fuss, I'd rather uniformed police with identifiable name/number tags and working bodycam came into the toilets to check things were ok over a man who claims he's a woman being in there.

I'm interested in how this woman is going to mount a legal challenge tho. Maybe she needs to carry her birth certificate around...

I, for one, am finding Help's posts very encouraging.

My reading thus far...

Policing-by-consent means a member of the public has the right to bar police from entering a public space at will - I'm honestly feeling quite empowered to hear that!

And Help's laser focus on the importance of being able to exercise this hitherto unrecognised right in the context of single-sex spaces makes it very clear indeed that they do, after all, understand and agree that single-sex spaces that exclude transwomen are legitimate and necessary. There'd be no logical coherence to their posts otherwise. So, again, empowering - a win!

Or, perhaps, given the lack of logic otherwise, coupled with a somewhat provocative tone, they're actually being disingenuous in order to... er... um... enable a majority of posters to derive great satisfaction from presenting well-thought-out arguments in a largely courteous tone for the lurkers to read? Yup, still a positive for us.

It's all good.

If only a TERF had been around to summon the police in after Katie Dolotowsi went into the ladies.

Please oh logical one explain to us the logic of inviting male police into a single sex spaces to police this woman. Is there no consistency ?

Do you object to all men in female facilities, or just police officers? If the former, I have bad news about who the TERF is. If the latter, I assume you're just shit-stirring.

But surely a predator could just dress as a male cop to come in under the guise of attending to a crime of we allow this

Well, quite. It's that very context that makes it so remarkable to see posters pointedly "Wow"-ing in response to the argument that we'd rather suffer - and, with great reluctance, tolerate other women suffering - personal offence than, well, massively increase our vulnerability to rape or murder. (I mean, wow. That's a helluva thing for us to believe, isn't it?)

Is it just male police officers you don't object to in female facilities?

I actually don't define myself or my feminism on a a niche issue so no, I wouldn't call myself a TERF.

Someone asking PP or yourself to explain their logic on these facilities is only shit posting to you if you have an issue explaining your logic or reasoning.