Lesbian mistaken for trans woman in woman's bathroom in Arizona

[Christinapple]

https://www.advocate.com/news/lesbian-mistaken-transgender-arizona-walmart

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masculine-looking-cis-woman-confronted-by-cops-in-walmart-restroom-kalaya-morton-demands-justice-video/ar-AA1AdWpn

But I thought people "can always tell"?

It also led to the irony the only males in the bathroom were two male police officers who were notified by a store employee who mistakenly thought a male had entered the woman's toilets.

"In an alarming incident at a Tucson, Arizona Walmart, 19-year-old Kalaya Morton*, a Black cisgender lesbian, was confronted by two male sheriff’s deputies while using the women’s restroom, sparking outrage and a demand for accountability.
Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,” recounted the humiliating encounter that occurred when a store employee erroneously assumed she was a transgender woman. The saga began innocuously enough: Morton had entered the restroom with her ex-girlfriend, who was kindly handing her a tampon— an act of friendship that, unfortunately, soon spiraled into something far more troubling. In an exclusive interview with The Advocate, Morton detailed her shock when the two deputies barged in, shining flashlights into the restroom stall.

“You have to get out of here. You have to come out. We need to talk to you.” Imagine trying to pee in peace, only to have the police storm in like it’s an episode of Cops: Restroom Edition.
“I’m still using the restroom. I’m sitting down, I’m peeing. What is the issue?,” Morton incredulously told the deputies as she sat there.
Now, while most people hope for a streamlined bathroom experience, Morton was treated more like a suspect than a bathroom user. The deputies apparently needed to crack the case of “Who Looks Like a Man in the Ladies’ Room,” a particularly absurd mystery, if you ask us."

The "GC position" is that blokes should fuck off out of the women's toilets. The (not regular) poster being (provocatively?) silly about feminine appearance represents the exact opposite of what gender critical means.

WaitingForTheDoubleDecker the only way to answer what it perceives as the problem of 'trans ideology' is to... reinforce 20th century western social gender performance.

Is that what you've picked up from post after post of women point out that they have short hair/wear trousers/Doc Martens/are sometimes mistaken for men/are lesbians/look butch but are not lesbians...

You interpret that as reinforc[ing] 20th century western social gender performance. ?? I'm almost tempted to say Wow at such a weird misreading.

I did suggest that if a woman chooses to 'perform' 20th century western social MALE gender stereotypes to such an extent that she can pass for a man,
there are going to be consequences if she enters a women's single sex space, and she should think about that in advance.

I have never wanted to look like a man [I like women, why would I want to look like a man??] but I have wanted to look like my own kind of woman, and sometimes that has caused women to momentarily mistake me for a man.
My manner and behaviour in replying pleasantly 'It's OK I am in the right place' to the This is the Ladies' challenge has immediately rectified the situation, but I'm prepared to deal with it because I know how I look.

If I were to dial up my butchness to, let's say, Stud, I'd also have to dial up my awareness of how other women would perceive me - the would perceive me as a man.

As I write that, it reminds me why I don't want to be a Stud, because I want other women to see me as a woman - not a floaty frock or hint of lippy in sight, but a woman.
I see there have been a number of replies to your post before mine, WaitingForTheDoubleDecker - typical, isn't it, you wait for one reply and three come along at once

This is a none story to me. I’m sorry the woman was distressed though. If men weren’t using gender stereotypes to access women’s spaces this wouldn’t happen.

Surprised that Christina is bothered about a woman being upset seeing as usually Chris couldn’t give the remotest fuck about women being upset (or sharing their refuges/prisons/rape survivor group or losing their spaces/places on programmes designed to increase women’s representation)

If that comment is aimed at me I'm not being provocative or silly.

I'm making the point (also made by lots of other posters), that if you make yourself look as masculine as possible, you may get mistaken for a man, and there isn't much point getting upset about it.

Other posters have chosen to project all kinds of ideas on what was a very easy to understand post- that I don't think women can wear trousers or have short hair etc. I haven't said any of those things.

In fact I have short hair, and nearly always wear trousers, and wear very little make-up, but strangely no-one has ever mistaken me for a man. Common sense would tell you that is because there is a difference between those things and setting out to look as masculine as possible.

If people choose to take what I've said in bad faith, that's on them.

Also, in real life, if I did mistake a woman for a man, I would apologise and absolutely wouldn't expect them to use any facility than the correct one for their sex.

There used to be a lesbian comic [human not paper comic] in London yonks ago with a story about going into the women's toilet, and a woman commenting to another ' Oh look, there's a boy in the Ladies!' at which point dyke hoicks up t-shirt to show her breasts, and the other women says 'Oh look, that boy has tits!'.

It was a joke then, it's wouldn't be so funny now that women's spaces are being deliberately targeted by men, but note the light-hearted response to being mistaken for a boy with tits

If you were that lesbian comic - well done, you have achieved near-immortality cos I still remember that gag in 2025!

I think, in fact I know that you've either misread or misunderstood my post. At no point did I say she should be challenged. She WAS challenged because someone thought she was male. Not that she was a female in male clothes, but an actual male. Presumably as soon as the police spoke to her they realised the person reporting a male in the female bathroom was mistaken.
I have no issue with a man wearing a dress and make up, but as soon as he walks into single sex female spaces I’m going to report him. Just as I would if he were wearing jeans and a t shirt.

😄 The bus joke was worth it. Forgot I chose this username.

Oh, I'm familiar with the general schtick. So long as you humbly accept your place as a GNC woman, put up with people banging on the cubicle door or grabbing at you (which is just 'challenging' you, not harassing) you get a gold sticker for being a good little ideological shield to show that GCs are accepting of gender non conformity. Well, some of them. Cos they're not a homogenous blob and quite a lot of them think that if they don't approve of how you look, you deserve everything you get, especially if you're one of those masculine lesbians. Also, it doesn't happen, it's no big deal, you're probably lying, or you are actually a man, and if it did happen, you're to blame.

Fwiw, I no longer use the women's because I'm also pragmatic. I'm just boggled by the rhetorical trajectory taken by many here. And sure, you personally may still be keen to be seen as a woman and you code that in western appearance standards, but this is precisely why trans identities are part of lesbian subculture, because butches often have to choose between making conformity concessions or being entirely pushed out.

Also, you don't dial up your butchness to stud. If you're white, you're a butch, if you're Black, you might use stud. Many younger lesbians will tend to just use 'masc'.

A sacrificial lesbian - I've heard it all now! 🙄

What cases are these?

I got stopped by the security guard at Tesco once for shoplifting. I hadn't stolen anything, and I could prove I hadn't stolen anything. In the end it was a mistake, a false accusation.

Does the occasional mistake mean that no effort should be made by supermarkets to prevent and detect shoplifters? No.

Same principle applies in this case with the female bathroom.

@WaitingForTheDoubleDecker

"Wait until you read about butch lesbians. SHOCKING STUFF."

I don't think any of the butch lesbians I know would have an attack of the vapours if they were mistaken for a bloke tbh.

Your post I replied to made a whole lot of assumptions about how the stud in the incident might respond given that they present in culturally masculine way, when it's clear that they weren't at all OK with having the police called, especially as a Black person in the US, and now you're suggesting that any butch objecting to this kind of treatment is having an attack of the 'vapours'. Feel free to carry on shadowboxing.

I wasn't expecting this comment. Grow your hair and wear a bit of make up. Make-up? I'm very surprised to see this comment here.

Edit: if some women look so overtly manly without make up , adding it will just likely make people think they are trans

👍🏾

This is why I hate trans ideology so much. Males stay out of women's bathrooms, and nothing like this will happen.

I find it weird that one person made that comment and was widely corrected for it and you’re now pretending that everyone on the thread is like that. Stop exaggerating to suit your narrative. You don’t approve of women who understand biological reality, we get it, you do yourself no favours by deliberately misrepresenting what the vast majority of women on here are saying. Do better.

So women have to confirm to rigid gender stereotypes to avoid being harassed and policed using the loo? Jesus wept.

You clearly don’t do womaning properly, aren’t you always in the women’s toilets head tilting, doing up each other’s bras and handing out tampons? No? Me neither. It must just be a fantasy made up by trans identified men then.

So by the sounds of the responses here it's no men ever in female single sex spaces for any reason.... unless a woman invites them into the police a GNC woman 👍🏻 But PP are fine with it and they can consent on our behalves for women to be policed like this. Hypocrites.

I'm just relieved that we've got our thread monitors back! I was getting worried when they were missing for all the Sandie Peggie threads :)

We could have got up to anything while no one was watching.

Yes, the police responding to a reported issue is EXACTLY the same as fetishist men.

More projecting I see.

In an ideal world any police going into a female toilet would also be female. However, in an emergency I would take male police or paramedics- the emergency takes priority over my discomfort in that case.

In this case my view would be that the police should have waited for the woman to leave the toilet and then spoken to her.

No-one wants to police GNC women, I would be mortified to make a mistake and upset someone. However, I would prefer that I was mortified than men coming into the ladies without any challenge at all- some of these men may be a genuine threat to other women using the facility.

they may have been female cops that looked like men