Lesbian mistaken for trans woman in woman's bathroom in Arizona

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https://www.advocate.com/news/lesbian-mistaken-transgender-arizona-walmart

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masculine-looking-cis-woman-confronted-by-cops-in-walmart-restroom-kalaya-morton-demands-justice-video/ar-AA1AdWpn

But I thought people "can always tell"?

It also led to the irony the only males in the bathroom were two male police officers who were notified by a store employee who mistakenly thought a male had entered the woman's toilets.

"In an alarming incident at a Tucson, Arizona Walmart, 19-year-old Kalaya Morton*, a Black cisgender lesbian, was confronted by two male sheriff’s deputies while using the women’s restroom, sparking outrage and a demand for accountability.
Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,” recounted the humiliating encounter that occurred when a store employee erroneously assumed she was a transgender woman. The saga began innocuously enough: Morton had entered the restroom with her ex-girlfriend, who was kindly handing her a tampon— an act of friendship that, unfortunately, soon spiraled into something far more troubling. In an exclusive interview with The Advocate, Morton detailed her shock when the two deputies barged in, shining flashlights into the restroom stall.

“You have to get out of here. You have to come out. We need to talk to you.” Imagine trying to pee in peace, only to have the police storm in like it’s an episode of Cops: Restroom Edition.
“I’m still using the restroom. I’m sitting down, I’m peeing. What is the issue?,” Morton incredulously told the deputies as she sat there.
Now, while most people hope for a streamlined bathroom experience, Morton was treated more like a suspect than a bathroom user. The deputies apparently needed to crack the case of “Who Looks Like a Man in the Ladies’ Room,” a particularly absurd mystery, if you ask us."

Because it was on the subject of the original post. As I keep pointing out. I responded in keeping with it. And it is other women on this site who seem to think it's acceptable for women to be falsely accused, because, in my opinion, they're not actually interested in the actual safety of women.

This is especially stupid given that butch/masc lesbians don't look ANYTHING like transwomen! Transwomen tend to be very 'feminine' in their appearance.

I have dated many of them (butch women that is) and they've all had issues in bathrooms, but with them being mistaken for a 'cis' (ugh, I hate that!) man, rather than a transwoman. Seriously WTF.

Could you explain where I have said people shouldn't campaign to keep men out of womens spaces?

Because it was on the subject of the original post. As I keep pointing out. I responded in keeping with it.

So? Other people are focussing on other elements of this discussion. It's not about you.

No not do I

It's all whataboutery. Vague hand waving and smears designed to accuse women on here of responsibility for a highly dubious "toilet incident " in Tucson Arizona.

The irony of someone claiming to have confidential NHS data (unable to be shared) about the lack of incidents of abuse of women in NHS 🙄 Given everything we know about NHS's staff's abysmal behaviour in concealing evidence from the police about a woman raped on an NHS ward by a transwoman in one hospital and the disgraceful revelations about NHS Fife's complete lack of risk assessments, failure to comply with the law and open targeting of a woman nurse for refusing to undress in front of a male doctor who required her undressed presence to validate him.

All designed (and failing) to coerce women into ceasing demands for single sex spaces with no men of any sort present.

YY @MrsOvertonsWindow

I have dated many of them (butch women that is) and they've all had issues in bathrooms, but with them being mistaken for a 'cis' (ugh, I hate that!) man, rather than a transwoman. Seriously WTF.

I've taken it as a tacit acknowledgment that OP knows full well that TWAM and wanted to be clear that they were aiming this at women's wrongthink and not any other kind of mistake.

Right. I'm glad you agree that that's an acceptable aim.

Again, I don't understand your reasoning, here. You're saying that women who complain about men in women's loos are disinterested in women's safety?

What is it you want the women on this site to do, actually?

Or are you suggesting that we are to condemn the actions of US police? To what end? How is it our fault?

justteanbiscuits you are using as the basis of your aguments research that you've done for work, that you can't share with us because it's outing, and an anecdote about a friend of yours and some other unnamed people.

I understand that you don't want to share information that's outing. But it effectively means you're coming on here to berate women for the actions of anonymous unspecified people, using arguments that are apparently supported by data that we can't access.

It's not going to be a very productive discussion, I'm afraid.

It's a joke referencing how often prominent TERFs share their screenshots and you can see trans porn saved videos saved in their bookmarks.

Again I don't believe you at all that it is TRAs. You all sound so naive about the internet it's almost like you don't understand there are fake / rage baiting accounts. After all these "TRA" accounts serve their exact purpose in perpetuating your world view don't they? Convenient!

A transwoman is a man; he may present himself to the world in a stereotypically feminine way but that doesn't mean that everyone else will see him as a woman. To be honest, "gender" isn't very important to me - I'm quite as comfortable with masculine women as I am with ultra-feminine women, and I'm pretty uncomfortable with ultra-masculine aggressive men, for example. But I, a somewhat "neurodivergent" man, have had to accept that a lot of people will judge me by my clothing. So I have to wear a suit and tie for weddings and funerals despite finding them uncomfortable.

Why can't transwomen do the pragmatic thing and dress in a way that will not make them stand out when they need to use the gents? If they insist on wearing a flashing neon sign which says "I am different" then they may find that there are men who see a potential victim to bully. I wish there were no such horrible men, but they do exist and that's just life as it is in reality. We do not, in practice, live in some utopia (or dystopia, depending on your viewpoint) where men can wear anything they like without anyone thinking the worse of them. Is there actually anyone who doesn't judge people's clothing choices?

I am rarely fashionable, because I have my own look that I like, and usually it's right out of fashion. There are people who look askance at me for my clothing and grooming choices. I look askance at some of the choices other people make. If someone has facial tattoos and a septum ring for example, many people will struggle to relate to them the same way they relate to someone with no tattoos and no nose piercing, because those choices say something about the person and the social circles they inhabit. Transwomen have clothing choices like the rest of us, and those choices, in practice, have some consequences, whether or not they should do in an ideal world.

Of course the posters describing the "dick" videos they watch and can describe in detail. It's the poster reminding them that if they keep tweeting about genitalia in sexualised terms, theyre gonna get explicit content. Why are you all so creeped out by the word genitalia 😂 Sorry I'll used the medical terms "cock and balls" in future like PP

More likely based on...? Given several PP in this thread agree with the police being called, how is it more likely a "TRA"

Do you guys immediately jump to the "people are trying to blame us!" Argument because you're always trying to blame others? 😂

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/types-of-sexual-violence/what-is-cyber-flashing/

Some information for people who don't understand what 'cyberflashing' is.

So why is me saying genitalia creepy? It's the correct term.

Penis and vagina are sexed body parts. Cock, balls, dick etc are all sexualised terms. I'm sure you'll find on twitter very rare that porn is posted under titles with penis and vagina in the titles. But they'll be searching for threads discussing dick to y'know share dicks.

'Cyber flashing became a criminal offence in England and Wales on 31 January 2024 and carries a maximum sentence of two years in prison.'

Nobody should ever be shamed for having been a victim of cyberflashing.

You have evidence that many straight men have fantasies about transwomen? That's a very interesting definition of "straight" that you are using!

Repeatedly using all the terms for genitals that you can think of is creepy. Bringing the thread back over and over to the subject of porn, including repeatedly blaming women for cyberflashing and claiming that they are responsible for their abuse because they have been 'looking at porn' is creepy. In fact, it's straight out abusive.

Stop trying to coopt the experience of women being flashed or sent unconsensual dick pics. It's not the same as what PP are describing. Again if you have the examples of actual threads where posters aren't discussing cocks where PP were "cyber flashed" share it. Instead of you're going to detail that twitter is full of porn videos whole accounts of them, threads regularly having explicit porn of trans individuals - that's your algorithm!!

Repeatedly using all the terms for genitals that you can think of is creepy. Bringing the thread back over and over to the subject of porn, including repeatedly blaming women for cyberflashing and claiming that they are responsible for their abuse because they have been 'looking at porn' is creepy. In fact, it's straight out abusive.

It is.

Presumably, all the girls and women who've received unsolicited dick pics via email, WhatsApp etc asked for it because algorithms?

You know what they say about assume.

My point is, by focusing on transwomen, men are carrying on with no spotlight. And that spotlight is needed.

My point is, by focusing on transwomen, men are carrying on with no spotlight. And that spotlight is needed.

You are free to campaign in a way that you think is effective. It isn't anything to do with you what other people focus on.