Lesbian mistaken for trans woman in woman's bathroom in Arizona

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https://www.advocate.com/news/lesbian-mistaken-transgender-arizona-walmart

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masculine-looking-cis-woman-confronted-by-cops-in-walmart-restroom-kalaya-morton-demands-justice-video/ar-AA1AdWpn

But I thought people "can always tell"?

It also led to the irony the only males in the bathroom were two male police officers who were notified by a store employee who mistakenly thought a male had entered the woman's toilets.

"In an alarming incident at a Tucson, Arizona Walmart, 19-year-old Kalaya Morton*, a Black cisgender lesbian, was confronted by two male sheriff’s deputies while using the women’s restroom, sparking outrage and a demand for accountability.
Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,” recounted the humiliating encounter that occurred when a store employee erroneously assumed she was a transgender woman. The saga began innocuously enough: Morton had entered the restroom with her ex-girlfriend, who was kindly handing her a tampon— an act of friendship that, unfortunately, soon spiraled into something far more troubling. In an exclusive interview with The Advocate, Morton detailed her shock when the two deputies barged in, shining flashlights into the restroom stall.

“You have to get out of here. You have to come out. We need to talk to you.” Imagine trying to pee in peace, only to have the police storm in like it’s an episode of Cops: Restroom Edition.
“I’m still using the restroom. I’m sitting down, I’m peeing. What is the issue?,” Morton incredulously told the deputies as she sat there.
Now, while most people hope for a streamlined bathroom experience, Morton was treated more like a suspect than a bathroom user. The deputies apparently needed to crack the case of “Who Looks Like a Man in the Ladies’ Room,” a particularly absurd mystery, if you ask us."

If you do an FOI, yes, hospitals do keep data on where assaults happen.

But you then went on to say we are focusing on the wrong type of man, which appears to be cropping up on here a lot at the moment.

I rather assumed this means you believe that we should leave this small subsection of men alone and concentrate on the men who do not identify as trans women, or in other words that you think it's acceptable?

Just saying why, if someone repeatedly uses words for male genitals, they're going to see more of that.
Not saying that's right, it's not, it shouldn't be happening but it sadly is.
I haven't said they deserve to see more of it, or responsible for it at all, so don't twist.

This "it's the algorithm" shite is entirely a straw man construction of you and the abusive pp with lots of posts deleted. It's not an explanation for many of the experiences women have had who have been directly targeted with pornographic content as a response to speaking about single sex spaces. So maybe try and muster up a tiny bit of empathy for the victims of non consensual dick pics as deliberate sexual harassment of women by men.

By reading articles where you know they would say the man was dressed as a woman. Not "posing as a cleaner", or "posing as a plumber".

Seriously, what is the relevance? We still don't want ANY MEN AT ALL in women only spaces. The end.

What I said was that as long as everyone focuses only on transwomen, then the non transwomen men are being ignored and allowed to continue. Which is what I see is happening. The focus is only on transwomen NOT the safety of women who enter womens toilets by every other means. We need to make spaces like toilets safer for women and that will take more than simply a paper ban on transwomen. Because, how ever much everyone claims "you can tell", you can't much of the time. As this thread shows - though I understand I am now lying about the experiences of people I know.

What I said was that as long as everyone focuses only on transwomen, then the non transwomen men are being ignored and allowed to continue.

It's not remotely related. It's whataboutery.

We can focus on the root problem. Men and male behaviour. Male pattern crime. Male sexual harassment. Male sexual fetish of humiliation of women.

MEN.

My point is that no, this isn't what is happening. And creating safe spaces needs more than just banning men from toilets. We need to look at what is needed. All this is leading to it women being abused for looking like they might possibly be a trans woman. It isn't actually protecting women at all. Men won't attack in a toilet with others around. Men will wait till there is a woman alone. Banning men from toilets won't actually change this. Work is needed on making spaces truly safe.

We need to make spaces like toilets safer for women and that will take more than simply a paper ban on transwomen. Because, how ever much everyone claims "you can tell", you can't much of the time.

A complete non sequitur.

We need to look at what is needed.

Yes, great. It doesn't stop anyone campaigning to keep all men out, at all.

How is it whataboutery? I think maybe you misunderstand that term.

I responded to a thread about a woman being accused of being a man with the experiences of friends who have suffered the same and questioned why people feel it is fine for this to happen. If the thread had been about a man being thrown out and I said "but what about women who are accused..." that would be whataboutery. I stuck to the theme of the original post.

Who is "allowing the non transwoman men to continue"? It's just nonsense, sorry.

My point, sighs, is that this is NOT what is happening. Men are carrying on as usual while the focus is on transwomen. I have explained why I don't think a simple ban is the answer, but you removed that part of my post.

It's not an explanation for many of the experiences women have had who have been directly targeted with pornographic content as a response to speaking about single sex space.

Yes, it is if they're talking about sexual assaults and male genitals online.
Regardless of the context behind the tweets, it is the explanation.
If you can't or won't understand that, there's no helping you.
I do have compassion, anyone in that scenario would be further traumatised which is awful, but come on, surely you understand that whatever context you're tweeting constantly about dicks or whatever in, you're going to get more of it?!
It's seriously not hard to understand, you'd think, anyway! It's not a strawman to point that out.
It's kind of how social media works and everybody should know that.

Yes I have done that. I told you. So you don’t then?

How is it whataboutery? I think maybe you misunderstand that term.

No, it's in response to people trying to blame women here for a slightly dubious incident in the US which is the theme of the OP. Banging on about why we should "stop focussing" on MTFs and focus on other men is complete whataboutery.

You are acting like I have said all men should be allowed to share womens toilets. I have not said that. At any point. I haven't said that transwomen should be able to share womens toilets.

What I have said are:

1. Friends have been abused, badly, because they apparently look like transwomen because they are tall. That is the only thing about them that could be used in this decision.

2. That banning men from toilets isn't going to make a difference in keeping women safe because men don't sexually assault women in front of others and that more needs to be done to keep women safe.

Unlike, I am guessing, most others on this thread I have actually got off the internet and made real change for women. I stepped up and volunteered and helped with a major sporting bodies policy on keeping males / females safe and separate in sport. But rather than understand what I am actually saying, too many people are jumping up and saying I am lying about my friends experience and anything else I post!

They have told me they don’t. Can I have your information please from the last 15 years? The FOI you have listed are the obvious ones that crop up through a quick search. To have all the toilet data on all the locations around the UK is something I have been campaigning for. There are huge gaps in FOI. Plus the requests are done my different people so no person has one database.

Yes, it is if they're talking about sexual assaults and male genitals online.
Regardless of the context behind the tweets, it is the explanation.

It is not, if all they did was read a JK Rowling thread and men posted dick pics. Ever thought you might actually be in the wrong? Anyway, this is pointless, it's like bashing my head against a wall, so I'm ceasing my engagement with you here.

Have you missed my posts about my friends?? To outline it more clearly would be way too outing, but because she is tall, (under 6ft though so not THAt tall), some high profile anti trans people tried to ruin her life. And tried to fuck up the lives of her children. Which she gave birth to. I gave examples that it isn't just a "dubious incident" in America and is actually quite a problem.

Your tallish friend was bullied by some people, therefore women should not campaign to keep males out of women's spaces?

I just don't understand, sorry.

too many people are jumping up and saying I am lying about my friends experience and anything else I post

I have no idea about it. I've not seen anyone saying you are lying. They just disagree with you that it's anything to do with us.

I mean it sounds horrible for your friend. That's a shame.

I don't see what it has to do with the women on this site, or campaigning to ensure that single sex exemptions in the EA are upheld.

I know they do because health data, including incidents and risks, is what I do for a living.

You can do an FOI to each Trust for their data. It would be gross misconduct for me to share the data I have for where I work.

Have you missed my posts about my friends?? To outline it more clearly would be way too outing, but because she is tall, (under 6ft though so not THAt tall), some high profile anti trans people tried to ruin her life. And tried to fuck up the lives of her children.

None of us have any clue who you're referring to.