Lesbian mistaken for trans woman in woman's bathroom in Arizona

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https://www.advocate.com/news/lesbian-mistaken-transgender-arizona-walmart

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masculine-looking-cis-woman-confronted-by-cops-in-walmart-restroom-kalaya-morton-demands-justice-video/ar-AA1AdWpn

But I thought people "can always tell"?

It also led to the irony the only males in the bathroom were two male police officers who were notified by a store employee who mistakenly thought a male had entered the woman's toilets.

"In an alarming incident at a Tucson, Arizona Walmart, 19-year-old Kalaya Morton*, a Black cisgender lesbian, was confronted by two male sheriff’s deputies while using the women’s restroom, sparking outrage and a demand for accountability.
Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,” recounted the humiliating encounter that occurred when a store employee erroneously assumed she was a transgender woman. The saga began innocuously enough: Morton had entered the restroom with her ex-girlfriend, who was kindly handing her a tampon— an act of friendship that, unfortunately, soon spiraled into something far more troubling. In an exclusive interview with The Advocate, Morton detailed her shock when the two deputies barged in, shining flashlights into the restroom stall.

“You have to get out of here. You have to come out. We need to talk to you.” Imagine trying to pee in peace, only to have the police storm in like it’s an episode of Cops: Restroom Edition.
“I’m still using the restroom. I’m sitting down, I’m peeing. What is the issue?,” Morton incredulously told the deputies as she sat there.
Now, while most people hope for a streamlined bathroom experience, Morton was treated more like a suspect than a bathroom user. The deputies apparently needed to crack the case of “Who Looks Like a Man in the Ladies’ Room,” a particularly absurd mystery, if you ask us."

Asking posters to prove their claim means I have to have a word with myself? Why? PP are mentioning the copious amounts of these videos on twitter to support their arguments and then they want to deny all the logical algorithmic reasons they are seeing this content but saying it's abusive TRAs exposing them to it. So link the TRA accounts? Clearly PP aren't blocking and reporting but I will

The poster was justifying why the coding resulted it in pushing uploaded images of sex acts at women who are discussing the need for female spaces.

While ignoring TRA's who directly targeted women and children with images of sex acts in an attempt to bully women off SM.

And ignoring that it is the TRA side which is spouting bollockolgy about the biology/femaleness of male human sexual reproduction organs, Clownfish, Coral, Mushroom, etc which resulted in these women using correct human biology to state No males in female spaces.

While tutting about the correct way to do completely reasonable feminism is to ignore males who transgress the social contract put in place to make public life (including SM) a little bit safer for women and children.

The reason I said this is because I do use twitter, I engage mainly with keeping sports single sex and so get sucked into other womens rights debates. I got sent trans porn after I commented on this tweet with a video about certain men misbehaving in womens toilets.

I also have noticed that I need to refer to certain male genitals more and more because the narrative of keeping womens sports single sex has now shifted to using the term 'transgender female athletes' when they mean men with, here it comes, cock and balls. I can't say men as then everyone gets upset with me as I shouldn't call transwomen men. I refuse to call them women, people assume I mean transgender identifying women when I say transwomen, likewise with transgender female athletes. Most people also assume I mean male people who have fully transitioned to not having a penis anymore, which is rarely the case with male athletes.

You got hand it to transactivists: they muddle and confuse and appropriate the language for women, girls and female so much that when you resort to using 'person with a dick', the algorithm then suddenly decides to present you with dick pics, helped by the same transactivists who then decide to support the algorithm by sending you even more dick pics.

' I don't want to see dicks in my changing room ' then becomes ' here are even more pics of the things you don't want to see'

And then you get told off for complaining you don't want to see dick pics...

The poster was justifying why the coding resulted it in pushing uploaded images of sex acts at women who are discussing the need for female spaces.

It's a straw man. It's not simply due to algorithms, it's due to creepy men posting non consensual dick pics as a reply to feminist posts. This has always been a thing, it's not just "trans women", other men do it.

I’m ignoring the porn posts. It’s just more of the TERFS are obsessed with genitals rubbish.

It’s DARVO and, so far as I’m concerned, can get in the bin.

I’d be surprised if anyone bookmarked these, why would you?

Abusive TRA’s post on women defending single sex spaces. It’s not the ‘logical algorithm argument’ you think it is or the justification you are seeking for abusive TRA’s.

Two words I could do without seeing for a good while - algorithm and genitalia 🙄🙄

You come to MN to tell the women here to be kind and let men into single sex female only spaces?

Well I am shocked.

Keep up the kind deeds👍

I haven’t read beyond the post from page 6 quoted, but something else in the original report struck me as just as bizarre as the comment about the lesbian girlfriend and the tampon, which was this:

«When she finally exited the stall, she said she lifted her shirt to prove she was not a man,»

I mean really? That sounds exactly like something a man with newly grown nubs might do. It’s certainly not behaviour I’ve ever witnessed in a sober woman in a difficult situation where her dignity is already threatened.

Now I have to wonder whether perhaps the cartoon in the quoted post might have been inspiration for yet another transactivist, making up unlikely stories about being challenged in women’s spaces, as an argument for why we should give men access.

I have never, ever seen a relistically described transactivist encounter of this type. A number of GC lesbians have described encounters where they have been mistaken for being male, and I encountered it myself as a teenager, so I know it happens. It’s simply a bizarre coincidence that every time it happens to a transactivist, it’s always off the scale in frequency or so dramatic in the retelling as to be incredibly unlikely.

See, this isn't loaded and biased at all sarcasm mode intended 😁
It's kind of an example actually of how algorithms work, so thank you (genuinely!) for that.
"Beautifully eloquent post"
Of well known gender critical voice - (nice use of emotive language too there)
"Angry man pretending to be a woman" responds to tweet
So, a person who is trans responds to a tweet that is likely going to be about trans issues. No surprise there? Again, nice use of emotive language to paint trans people as always "angry" "men" just because they don't share your view, or disagree with you. It happens on here all the time too - getting accused of being angry, or a man when you're neither just because you are a dissenting voice.
If you're trying to show a good example of algorithms as well, it's a pretty good one - if this is the language/phrasing you regularly see it's what you're going to keep getting pushed.

I agree, @lifeturnsonadime, and other posters (who've been around a while under various name changes) who like to consider themselves more righteous than thou should probably think twice before they enable it.

Back to the OP - are women on a parenting site in the UK now responsible for the behaviour of US policemen, too?

There really is no end of the things we are to be blamed for.

Ooh we've moved onto "you're a man" to "must be name changes!" part now 😂

Indeed. Decades of active feminism with no women ever mention genital inspections. Then men claiming to be women start insisting on accessing women and girls undressing and vulnerable and by 2025 a feminist board is drowning in creepy comments about genitals from posters trying to pretend that it's all women's fault.

It's so regressive 🙄

Do people not name change on Mumsnet?

Back to the OP - are women on a parenting site in the UK now responsible for the behaviour of US policemen, too?

Apparently so

Indeed. Decades of active feminism with no women ever mention genital inspections. Then men claiming to be women start insisting on accessing women and girls undressing and vulnerable and by 2025 a feminist board is drowning in creepy comments about genitals from posters trying to pretend that it's all women's fault.

It's so regressive 🙄

Its very telling.

https://4w.pub/the-rules-of-misogyny/

1. Women are responsible for what men do.

1. Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

1. Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.

1. Women’s opinions are violence against men, thus male violence against women is justified.

1. Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.

1. Women who go around being female AT men by menstruating and breastfeeding babies deserve punishment.

1. Women should always be grateful to men for everything.

1. Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

1. Men always know the “real reasons” for everything women do and say.

10. The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

11. Whatever women suffer from, it is worse when it happens to men.

12. Women’s ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry.

13. Angry women are crazy. Angry men have trouble expressing themselves.

14. Women have all the rights they need: The right to remain silent.

15. Men are the default human. Women are strange subhuman others.

16. Everyone owns and controls women’s bodies except the women themselves.

17. Men are better at performing femininity than women are because they invented it and it gives them a boner.

The word is men.

When men are allowed free entry into the space the risk goes up.

And how did you or the data collectors split the sex offenders into the sub-group?

I was going to highlight the relevant rules for this thread, but then thought - it's useful to see them all written out, anyway.

Of course people name change on MN, it's always been allowed.

Yes, would be great to see the stats this poster is referring to.

So what’s your point?

I was going to highlight the relevant rules for this thread, but then thought - it's useful to see them all written out, anyway.

It is. I miss TheBewilderness.

So what’s your point?

The poster seems to have assumed a comment I made was directed at them personally..

Or more likely (assuming it occurred at all) that a transactivist invited them in, in order to create a situation where they could accuse GC women of being at fault….