Lesbian mistaken for trans woman in woman's bathroom in Arizona

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https://www.advocate.com/news/lesbian-mistaken-transgender-arizona-walmart

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masculine-looking-cis-woman-confronted-by-cops-in-walmart-restroom-kalaya-morton-demands-justice-video/ar-AA1AdWpn

But I thought people "can always tell"?

It also led to the irony the only males in the bathroom were two male police officers who were notified by a store employee who mistakenly thought a male had entered the woman's toilets.

"In an alarming incident at a Tucson, Arizona Walmart, 19-year-old Kalaya Morton*, a Black cisgender lesbian, was confronted by two male sheriff’s deputies while using the women’s restroom, sparking outrage and a demand for accountability.
Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,” recounted the humiliating encounter that occurred when a store employee erroneously assumed she was a transgender woman. The saga began innocuously enough: Morton had entered the restroom with her ex-girlfriend, who was kindly handing her a tampon— an act of friendship that, unfortunately, soon spiraled into something far more troubling. In an exclusive interview with The Advocate, Morton detailed her shock when the two deputies barged in, shining flashlights into the restroom stall.

“You have to get out of here. You have to come out. We need to talk to you.” Imagine trying to pee in peace, only to have the police storm in like it’s an episode of Cops: Restroom Edition.
“I’m still using the restroom. I’m sitting down, I’m peeing. What is the issue?,” Morton incredulously told the deputies as she sat there.
Now, while most people hope for a streamlined bathroom experience, Morton was treated more like a suspect than a bathroom user. The deputies apparently needed to crack the case of “Who Looks Like a Man in the Ladies’ Room,” a particularly absurd mystery, if you ask us."

If you are going to do throw out random whataboutery you need to expand on your logic to explain why you are suggesting an action as safeguarding choice.

I’m not interested in what anyone does in the back of a taxi, real or faked. TIM’s are men and they don’t belong in women’s spaces. You have been given all the information you have asked for but I don’t believe you have read any of it, and I struggle to believe you are posting here in good faith.
If you are genuinely as naive as you appear to be then you need to educate yourself.

I'm currently reading the links @MrsOvertonsWindow sent over - although wasn't able to read the telegraph article as it's gated. You didn't say your stats came with source links so that's why I didn't go and look for them.

Because I have viewed some of that toilet porn and it is not a set.

Of course, I don’t know that for sure.

But you seem to be asking for facts while dismissing the very facts you asked for. And you dismiss intimate partner’s experiences while claiming your experiences to be representative. All while denying you are doing this.

I hope to fuck that you are not involved in setting safeguarding policy.

But what makes you think trans women are wanking in women's toilets because you've seen it in porn? Why are you watching trans porn anyway?

Mine are the Ministry of Justice statistics.

I think we can draw the conclusion that unless you are hand given the statistics you will not even acknowledge them.

Whose experience did I deny? I think I must have missed the personal experience poster. Sorry if I overlooked that.

Yes don't worry I have nothing to do with government 🙂.

There are male people with transgender identities being convicted for masturbating in public spaces quite regularly. On train platforms for instead. On the street. We have read about their convictions in the UK over the past few years.

Why on earth would anyone doubt male people with transgender identities are not masturbating in female single sex toilets when they tell us they are and are live streaming the event?

I was sexually assaulted by a transwoman in a woman's toilet. I was seventeen. You are free to ask me about it.

Just in case you missed this @Bunny44

”How many female people are acceptable to be harmed by allowing male people to use single sex spaces because that male person has a philosophical belief that they are female?”

You need to ask you GP about biology if you think that a cosmetically created cavity in the pelvic area is the same as any part of female reproductive organs.

Really? You think the majority of porn where individual men film themselves jerking off or exposing themselves in women's toilets are doing it in a closed porn shoot?
And the women, and occasionally children, seen or heard in the background are just fully consenting adult actors?
No one can possibly be this naive.

Am so sorry this happened to you Arabella.

For anyone who wants to read through the statistics for males who have transgender identities who commit sex crimes in the UK here are some.

This was a question answered a month or so ago.

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-16/20298.

Question from Rebecca Paul (MP Reigate): To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, with reference to the HMPPS Offender Equalities Annual Report 2023-2024, published on 28 November 2024, how many of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female were convicted of a sexual offence.
Answer from Sir Richard Dakin (MP Scunthorpe): 23 December 2024

Of the 245 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as male (i.e. those who now identify as women, non-binary or gender-fluid) on 31 March 2024, 151 were convicted of a sexual offence. This includes both contact and non-contact sexual offences. Offence data was not available for 1 individual.

Of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female on 31 March 2024, the number convicted of a sexual offence is five or fewer. We do not provide exact data for such small sample sizes as it risks identification of individuals. This approach is in line with our standards on data disclosure.

To put this into perspective with what we already knew from FOI information. I posted the information to a regular poster from FWR on another thread, who did not acknowledge the information at all, so it seems sticking the info here is appropriate:

Here is data from the MoJ
Here is an FOI request from 30 April 2024

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/populationoftransgenderoffend/response/2641337/attach/html/7/FOI%20240322022%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html

Up to the 31st March 2023, the MoJ stated that of the 88 male transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
48 rapes,
0 attempted rapes,
10 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
13 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
0 indecent assault or gross indecency
6 sexual activity with a child under 16
0 other

77 listed here.... BUT there is a total of 88 in the total so there is 11 crimes not noted.

Possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child has not been recorded in this FOI.

However, there is are further discrepancies in the data of the following when you look at TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE.

1 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
3 rapes
2 sexual activity with a child under 16
3 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,

This equals 9 additional... however the sum for TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE is 99.

Therefore 2 more sex crimes have been hidden from this data.

There were 203 males who were declared as transgender in the prison at the time.

There were 24 NB who were not segregated into male and female. What is key here, is that THIS IS NON-GRC HOLDERS. And we all know that males holding GRCs have increased and they are excluded from this data. NO female people with transgender identities were sentenced to a principal sexual offence. There were 41 female people with transgender identities in UK prisons at that time.
As a comparison, I have stats that say as of April 2019 that the general male MoJ data for male sex offenders was just 16.8% of the male prison population. And there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders.
I will leave you to do your own sums. But... even using the figure of 88/203 is 43.3%. (And that doesn't include making or possessing indecent photographs of a child remember.)

By the way this exercise was done in 2021. And I checked this data myself from the data source and it was correct at the time. So, it will give some back ground to the above.

The ones that say that in the March/April 2021 data collection period, the MoJ stated that of the 97 transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
40 rapes,
8 attempted rapes,
31 possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child,
32 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
20 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
10 indecent assault or gross indecency
9 sexual activity with a child under 16
27 other

The 97 sex offender transgender prisons collected 177 sentences between them.

And that according to that FOI 197 prisoners are transgender.

I feel it is performative at this stage. When a poster who could look back to find statistics, won’t, unless it was delivered to them specifically, I can only assume some people will do this to be able to deny that they have ever been shown the evidence.

No one needs to go looking for it. It turns up on twitter all the time. These men love posting this stuff on feminist threads. It's all very "We'll do what we want and you can't stop us".
The whole point is that it's about exposing themselves to unwilling women.

I have been told on this board before that a man masturbating in front of me was not in fact sexual assault.

We are at a very dangerous place when 'flashing', which is a fetishistic paraphilia, is excused because of men with special identities. But this is where we are.

Laurie Penny, soi-disant feminist, said that girls should avert their eyes if they didn't want to see a male's penis.

(This was over a convicted sex offender exposing himself in the women's section of a spa. Darren Merager is also a transwoman.)

As was I when I was 11

Still waiting for why these statistics of prisoner convictions are somehow ‘skewed’ so as to be discredited.

I also assume we shall have to explain the relevance of them too. And lead posters through the rates of sexual offending versus the general male population versus the general female population. But I don’t have anything but my phone and I am not crunching numbers today.

It is skewed as the data only reflects the males who had offended to such an extent that the Justice system deemed them not fit to be allowed to remain within the general population.

Prison data will fail to reflect the males who were given suspended terms or supervision orders to be served within the community or indeed the males who finished their prison terms.

It also fails to reflect where offences were not prosecuted

Unfortunately some people like to encourage women to talk about their experiences of sexual assault. I know that's a possibility that makes me a bit wary about talking about those experiences.

But at this point, thats too bad. Shame must change sides. That happened to me and I would like to minimise the chances of it happening to other women and girls.

Women should not be shamed for the weird sexual proclivities of abusers.

I don't give a fuck what inadequacies or disorders lead men to these paraphilias.

I don't care about them one little bit.

I will do what I can to minimise the impact of predatory men on women and girls.

They’re not naive at all, quite the opposite.

What the fuck? A nice bit of pivoting there.

This is DARVO.

It didn’t happen, it isn’t real, and you should not have been viewing it anyway.

Women could hardly miss it at one point because it was posted on twitter. Only a few years ago, twitter had porn all over it. And the people posting that porn was usually the one making the porn.

There was a situation where women would be getting aggressive tweets from a profile so they would go and investigate who that profile was to discover it was a male with a transgender identity who posted porn on their feed and delighted in women viewing it when they weren’t expecting it or consenting to it. Those tweets usually led to an only fans profile.

We discussed it on threads here as it was happening so I know I was not the only person to have non-consentingly witnessed it.