Lesbian mistaken for trans woman in woman's bathroom in Arizona

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https://www.advocate.com/news/lesbian-mistaken-transgender-arizona-walmart

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masculine-looking-cis-woman-confronted-by-cops-in-walmart-restroom-kalaya-morton-demands-justice-video/ar-AA1AdWpn

But I thought people "can always tell"?

It also led to the irony the only males in the bathroom were two male police officers who were notified by a store employee who mistakenly thought a male had entered the woman's toilets.

"In an alarming incident at a Tucson, Arizona Walmart, 19-year-old Kalaya Morton*, a Black cisgender lesbian, was confronted by two male sheriff’s deputies while using the women’s restroom, sparking outrage and a demand for accountability.
Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,” recounted the humiliating encounter that occurred when a store employee erroneously assumed she was a transgender woman. The saga began innocuously enough: Morton had entered the restroom with her ex-girlfriend, who was kindly handing her a tampon— an act of friendship that, unfortunately, soon spiraled into something far more troubling. In an exclusive interview with The Advocate, Morton detailed her shock when the two deputies barged in, shining flashlights into the restroom stall.

“You have to get out of here. You have to come out. We need to talk to you.” Imagine trying to pee in peace, only to have the police storm in like it’s an episode of Cops: Restroom Edition.
“I’m still using the restroom. I’m sitting down, I’m peeing. What is the issue?,” Morton incredulously told the deputies as she sat there.
Now, while most people hope for a streamlined bathroom experience, Morton was treated more like a suspect than a bathroom user. The deputies apparently needed to crack the case of “Who Looks Like a Man in the Ladies’ Room,” a particularly absurd mystery, if you ask us."

It’s what women and girls are told all the time, ‘be kind’, ‘they just want to pee’, they’re just gentle souls’ etc etc etc. You seem unaware of cause and effect.

Chris's froth of the day is a bit meh!

The Arizona Cardinals aren't really religious figures.
Now that's a story!
Who knew?

You can wear trousers and have short hair as a woman and not be "dressing and styling yourself like a man."
Doing so doesn't mean you're "bringing it all on yourself" by not being so called "feminine" enough (whatever that's supposed to mean - long hair and dresses going by this thread)
or "playing stupid games".

no. Regressing to sexist, outdated sex stereotypes is not the answer.

The answer is that men stay out. And just to be clear: that involves all men identifying as women. No men going in the women's toilets ever.

And then that means that everyone who does go in them, is ok to be in there.

I am also aware that there are racists who target black women (i have only heard of this - online so not first hand - in the USA though) with this kind of trumped up tripe.

The blame lies squarely with men and TRAs. (and in some circumstances: racists)

You and the OP are big into taking one anecdote - just one post in this case - and turning it into a Wow.
There's a bigger picture than one incident in Tucson Arizona and one post on this board. Anecdotes are just that, so don't jump to conclusions and don't overdo the Wows

This was my main takeaway, too.

This.

Strange how certain posters are all of a sudden very concerned about one woman's experience in the toilets when they have shown time and time again that they have no concern whatsoever for the many women who will self exclude from their own single sex spaces should they become mixed sex. I wonder why that is?

Most women wear trousers. Loads of women have short hair.

You know that isn't what I mean, yet take offence anyway. 🙃

I guessed who was posting this when I saw the title! I had to laugh. But well done, Chris, for finding one case 5000 miles away to scold us with. I feel for the woman involved. And the police should have knocked before entering, but I suppose in the States they’re more at risk of violence if an offender is expecting them.

You know that isn't what I mean

When you're the one who mentioned playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes if you're "styling yourself as a man" just by being a gender non confirming woman, no, it wasn't clear what you meant. You said what you said however you try and backtrack.

No: I responded to the enquiry with a laugh (of embarrassment, though mainly for them - are you familiar with the many uses of laughter in overcoming social awkwardness? Or familiar with basic human interactions at all?)

i was very far from mocking the concerns of the person who asked.

It might have hurt my feelings, but I bear no grudge against the male cleaner who drew a perfectly reasonable (but wrong) conclusion about me & made a polite enquiry, for safeguarding purposes.

i know what I looked like - bald from chemo for cancer, in a beanie hat, without eyelashes or eyebrows, shapeless & bulky wearing layers of baggy clothes as I was cold all the time. Why would that hurt me?

None of it matters enough to put potential hurty feels over safeguarding.

I don’t feel hurt when I have to go through security to get on a plane, or when I had to undergo DBS checks to work with children. Do you?

Why should this be different?

Oh: I know why!

it’s because the men’s rights movement dedicated to dismantling women’s rights and any form of safeguarding that impedes their demand to do what they want to anyone all the time has weaponised hurty feels (but only for the elect: stuff everyone else!) to put themselves beyond question & beyond scrutiny.

And you are part of that movement.

This is what I was thinking so ty for this post.

I'm a bit worried now. I have very short hair, i wear baggy clothes, DMs and men's jeans (well Levi 501s - the pockets are MASSIVE)

I am about to go out. What if i need the loo? perhaps i should put on a floaty dress and heels (I don't currently have any). I also don't have any lippy. Should i just stay in?

"Scold us with"
Why is hearing a different viewpoint on here always seen as "being told off " or "scolding?"
It's not scolding, are people really that used to being stuck in or comfortable within an echo chamber that any dissenting voices is being told off?

It's the typical TRA storyline

Thinking someone potentially being offended is on a par with potentially being endangered

all I can say is that she should get over it

Ok, no wow - just fucking hell instead. Is that better 😂

Good points.

Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,”

🤔

People can see that you're taking my comment out of context and adding things that aren't there. It isn't some sort of gotcha you know. At no point did I mention people bringing things on themselves or being gender confirming- those are all your words.

I stand by my original comment. No backtracking, I assure you. Make yourself look like a man, and people might think you are one. Not hard is it?

If that upsets you, tough.

But isn’t that what women who do not want men in their spaces are expected to do? Just get over it?

What was she doing for all that time in the toilets? There was enough time for her not only to be seen entering but for an employee to call the police, for them to arrive (and get briefed) and then go in after her - and she was still in there?

Quite obviously a contrived situation imo, a publicity stunt.

Probably because the poor thing wasn't getting enough attention outside of the alphabet-soup brigade for their self-identification as a 'stud'.

I bet myself I could guess who posted this so I owe myself a fiver.

Chris, the only reason women are jumpy about masculine-appearing people going into the women’s loo is because actual men have been going there while claiming to be women. If trans identifying men didn’t trample over women’s privacy and rights, we wouldn’t be on the alert for them.

I’m sorry this woman was challenged and embarrassed. It must have pissed her off - the police challenging me would piss me off too.

But the atmosphere in which women fear that men are entering their spaces was created entirely by transwomen and their allies dismantling single sex provisions. This is on the TRA crowd, not feminists.

‘A better solution, supported by many transactivists, and increasingly found in trendy nightclubs and restaurants, is to eliminate gender-segregated facilities entirely and treat the public restroom as one single open space with fully enclosed stalls.’
Quote by Americans Prof Susan Stryker and Prof Joel Sanders, who have not safety tested their designs, that have been influential in the UK.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/mayor-unveils-plans-for-gender-neutral-public-toilets-in-london-a3703726.html

Male and female reported entering a public bathroom in Walmart and same cubicle?

Employee of walmart calls the police.

Nearest officers turn up.
They get paid to attend a service call shock horror

No handcuffs no stunguns or guns

The call and any body cam can be obtained via a public access request.