People with a cervix

[Globules]

This has really annoyed me.

Official documentation from the NHS, aka the national medical professionals, should know that it's ONLY women who have a cervix.

What is this non sentence of all women and people with a cervix?

Yes because no one has tried to obscure reality in data about ethnicity or disability have they? But there has been a concerted campaign to obscure data about sex, and to replace sex with gender. Such that there is no data which can be relied upon to structure or plan services.

And when there is a tension between people who want sex acknowledged and those who want gender identity to be used, it's only the people who want gender who are consulted. Look at the Fife employment tribunal - one transwoman wanted to use the women's changing room so he was allowed to and women weren't consulted and the woman who spoke up about it was suspended and accused of harassment. It's not the same.

This tired trope. Being same sex attracted didn’t have a negative effect on anyone else. People (mainly men) declaring themselves as the opposite sex has shown to have a detrimental effect, for a myriad of reasons.
It shouldn’t be difficult to understand but apparently it is.

Oh please!! Gay people didn't have words and definitions re-changed, society completely re-ordered around them, and weren't encouraged to sterilise themselves or chop body parts off them. This "it's Gay 2.0" has got to stop! Gay people never had anywhere NEAR the sheer overwhelming power that trans have.

That are not remotely comparable in any stratosphere!

Sorry @AccidentallyWesAnderson should have quoted selffellatingour.. or whatever your name is

Of course - Afghanistan 🙄 That well known country renowned for women's rights and celebrated by every single clueless transactivist .

Is the fad of pretend that biology is not real going to go away?
Will female bodies be grouped together for medical and relevant social intertactions and will male bodies be excluded?

Will women stop being accused of transphobia for pointing out biology is real?

Or will they be "rightly condemned" for that?

Have a lie down.

Doing the heavy lifting for us. Should I put in a laughing emoji? Yes I will - 😂

Which ends when the girl reached puberty/ marriageable age. No women in Afghanistan are escaping their biology.

Funny how you didn't feel the need to comment on the original poster's mention of Afghanistan... Hmmm...

@MugsyBalonz why is it that on mens health stuff it says trans women but on women's health stuff it doesn't say trans men? Because trans men are women and even identifying as a man they're still seen as second class citizens so can just be reduced to sexual organs

What is that?
Is it a man seen as a female or a woman been seen as a male?
And what rights and obligations attach?

These misogynist male trolls all call women the c word. They can't help but out themselves as the violent, hateful misogynist bigots they are. They're such a cliche.

It a family with no sons choosing a daughter to be a 'male' so she can escort her sisters, go to school, sometimes it's believed it'll encourage future babies to be born male. It's only pre puberty, adult women aren't able to identify our of their sex in Afghanistan, and it's not the girl who chooses it it's the parents.

It's a practice of disguising a female child as a son which affords them the freedom to play outside without chaperone, attend school etc. In most cases it ends with puberty but not always. There is an ethnographic researcher who wrote a beautiful book about the practice which included extensive records of women living as "uncles". Unfortunately, I can't quite recall the name of the book or the author right now.

So really that poster who mentioned "bacha posh" had no idea what they were talking about. A woman still can't identify out of being a woman in Afghanistan, and never could.

Why has this thread been moved? It was in AIBU. I was following it with interest. It's a valid one to be asked of all of mumsnet. Annoying it gets pushed to the "naughty corner".

Again bollocks. Just nonsense. Please explain what this outlandish ideology was exactly?
Of course its a fad stop tailgating same sex attraction..its not similar at all

The amount of politics/trump/starmer threads on AIBU and Chat that don't get moved as fast as these ones..

I don’t see that being the case, but I guess it depends on what circles you’re in- it’s possible for sites like this to become an echo chamber.

I grew up with two young trans people who are now in their 30s and thriving. A relative of my DH is trans and in her 60s (transitioned at 20), and there are young trans men in my family and trans women in my friendship group. They don’t think it’s a strange phase, and neither do we or our friends and family—it’s all pretty normal for us.

Being “gender critical,” as we’re now calling it, isn’t new; it’s just the same repackaged ignorance seen time and time again in times of progression, IMO. I believe it will die back considerably in the same way it did with homophobia as more people grow up with trans people in their lives.

The irony is 'gender critical' simply means feminism. And feminism isn't 'ignorant'. And then opposite of gender critical, is the ignorant Trans Ideology which is simply misogyny and a Mens Rights movement in a different dress.

As it is, the trans ideology is dying and in it's death throes, we are winning the war. If you truly think this is remotely like being gay and people growing up with gay people, you are truly delusional. Yes, there have always been people who claim to be 'born in the wrong body', but most of u recognise it as the mental illness it is. People 'thrive' with a mental illness, it still doesn't validate it. And the more and more society is re-ordered and women lose our rights, the more society pushes back. You are living in an echo chamber if you cannot see that Trans Ideology is losing the war, and within 10 to 20 years, we will look back at this dangerous period of time for women and children and wonder wtf we were doing.

If you'd read about bacha posh, you'd know that acting the male role is forced on them by their fathers and many are compelled back into the female role at puberty. It's an incredibly cruel and patriarchal practice and is the textbook implementation of the Eighth Rule: a girl is bacha posh when her father says she is and reverts to being an ordinary girl when her father says to.

Being gender critical isn't new, it's just that until very recently we didn't need a word for knowing reality is real. Humans can't change sex, and other people can't be forced to agree with your personal feelings about who you are when that doesn't reflect reality.

Being gender critical won't die out any more than knowing the earth is a globe will die out, no matter how many flat earthers any of us meet.

That's pretty new.