People with a cervix

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This has really annoyed me.

Official documentation from the NHS, aka the national medical professionals, should know that it's ONLY women who have a cervix.

What is this non sentence of all women and people with a cervix?

She must know she's a woman though.

This for the inclusive people at the back.

I'm good honey, are you 😂 ❤️

I don't have any problem with the wording because it includes the term 'women' which is the huge majority of the target audience and an appropriately accurate term to use.

It seems fine to then add in another more generic term like 'people with a cervix' as a catch all for females who identify differently and need to know that cervical screening is also for them. Maybe it also gives an impression that staff at the clinic are expecting to see females who might present differently, which could also encourage participation without judgement.

At the end of the day, cervical screening is all about the early detection of cancer and ultimately saving lives, whether the person identifies as female or not.

Who knows 😆 none of my business if she chooses to not be one

Sorry ‘they choose’!!

I'm actually disappointed that MNHQ deleted PerkyTitan's post accusing us of being equivalent to racists. It undermines Operation LetThemSpeak when the worst TRA posts are nuked.

She doesn't actually have a choice

Well surely she must otherwise she wouldn't be called a Trans Man. You can only be that if you're not an actual man. So everyone saying she might not know she's a woman, I call bullshit 🤨

I don't personally find it funny that mentally ill people are supported into believing their delusions are true, but you do you!

If you could choose whether or not to be a woman, there'd be very few in Afghanistan just now I'm guessing.

Being a woman is non optional, you either are or you aren't and you can't choose which and you can't change it.

That poster is a truly nasty piece of work. Clearly hates females and is bigoted.

Unfortunately that’s not a choice. We are either male or female and remain so until we die, despite what we think about ourselves, hence why ideology has no place in healthcare.

I don’t want to stop anyone getting appropriate health care, but I don’t really believe validating people in their untrue beliefs actually helps anyone.

So while I’m glad that the NHS has listened to women, to the extent of reinstating the word women in these messages, I personally can’t wait until the current situation comes to an end.

People have been sold the lie that they can be the opposite sex.

They’ve also been sold the lie that that the whole of society must pretend to accept the untruth, and never mention it which is never going to happen.

As a treatment, it is an out and out failure if it leaves people feeling so fragile every time they are faced with reality. This is obviously a learned response. They have been taught that they are fragile and can’t cope as a tool to try to push the narrative that we must all pander to them.

Personally, I don’t believe transitioning helps anyone. Learning to accept reality, even if you don’t like it much is the only way to genuine peace of mind,

So although I’m happy to see the word woman has made a comeback, I will be truly grateful when it is recognised that there is no need to mention “transmen” or “people with a cervix” because those with a mental health problem about accepting their sex are expected to deal with reality again.

See this doesn’t really make sense to me. The NHS info about screening does reach everyone it needs to, everybody received an invite to come in for their smear test.

Are you honestly telling me that you think if they don’t include those words a 25+ year old adult, born and registered female, will receive a letter from the NHS to their personal address, with their full name on, GP practice, NHS number, inviting them to book their appointment and they’ll think “ah that’s not for me”? Genuinely?

Same, I hate when these ridiculous posts are deleted. They should remain for all to see.

If you could choose whether or not to be a woman, there'd be very few in Afghanistan just now

Absolutely this! It's a first world social contagion for attention, that's all it is. It's the current generation's Goth. Except being goth didn't mean society was re-ordered around them.

We have just been reviewing access to our service by people from different ethnic communities and this is exactly how the whole process was structured - service statistics, statistics from the community, identifying underrepresented communities and inviting a patient panel to help us redesign our campaigns. A similar process was involved when I was a disability champion in another trust and we had people with disabilities involved in a hospital build project by including them in planning meetings with architects. Maybe there is a disparity among different hospitals but this is the experience I've had with similar projects.

@Devilsmommy In everything 'male body cancer' related from the NHS?! That is a bit offski.
Maybe it's quite telling. In that TM have more legitimacy than TW because it's an open secret that TW are just doing it for a sexual thrill and don't even think they're in the wrong body?!
Or I guess if it's for a penis, it's visible. Some women and lots of men don't even know what a cervix is?!
Gawd, I don't know now...

Correction: you work with someone who is genetically female and has adopted the very recently coined label 'non-binary'. She may not identify as being female but it's not something you can identify out of. She will remain female to the end of her days and she will always need healthcare from people who know how the patient's sex affects the way their body works.

Some years back, being gay was seen as some kind of outlandish ideology, making it acceptable to ignore or disrespect them and their needs. Now, it’s normal, and homophobes are rightfully condemned. The same is now happening for trans people- it isn’t some fad that’s going to go away.

@BobbyBiscuits as someone said upthread, they would never dream of reducing men to their sexual organs but we're only women so hey ho who gives a shit 🤷

There is actually a pretty established practice of "bacha posh" in Afghanistan.

What's interesting about your contributions to this thread, and those from others on the same lines, is how old-fashioned they seem now. The tide has turned, and within a few years people are going to be looking back at this strange phase and marvel at the collective insanity of it.

Yet the NHS does say men and trans women, it's right there on their website.

Here is a screenshot of it where it says "the prostate is a small gland found only in men and trans women.