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Entertainment industry wokebro vicious abuse

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thisneedstoend · 25/02/2025 09:17

Hi, I'm a regular visitor to these boards but don't normally post. Been following this topic for years and active in filling in consultations and writing to MPs etc.
So, I went to a party the other week for entertainment industry people, for a production I was involved in in a very minor way. I got horrendously drunk and somehow got onto stating that trans women are men. The wokebro who I was talking to and had never met before then went on to accuse me of all sorts of thought crimes, and in doing so released a torrent of abuse:

  • accused me of being a lesbian (I used the word ‘accused’ as to him this was presented as a negative, same for other items on this list)
  • tried to smear me as mentally ill or neurodivergent – variously accused me of being bipolar, autistic, schizophrenic and BPD
  • tried to smear me as a drug addict
  • tried to smear me as an alcoholic
  • accused me of having sex with animals
  • accused me of being really trans myself
  • wanted the details of my sexual assault so he could judge if I deserved it or not and asked what I was wearing
  • accused of having sex with adult men when I was a child
  • accused of cheating on my boyfriend
  • tried to deny the holocaust ever happened
  • said that a man wearing a yarmulke would deserve to be attacked if he was walking the streets, simply for being Jewish, because of the war in Israel/Palestine
  • accused of being a gold digger
  • accused of being far right
  • accused of wanting to bring back slavery and the colonialism
  • accused of being bad at my job
  • accused of being a paedophile
  • accused of being jealous of trans women
  • accused of being a ‘slut’
  • accused of making porn
  • accused of being a fundamentalist Christian
  • accused of having been a prostitute
  • accused of being racist
  • accused of wanting women to be trad wives
  • asked if I’ve had a miscarriage

I am sure there are more, but it was basically a character assassination and a torrent of unfounded abuse and intentionally offensive and traumatising interrogation that went on for what felt like hours. If I wasn't so drunk and with impaired judgement I would have just got the hell out of there. The man refused to go away despite me telling him to multiple times, kept inserting himself into my conversation with others, and then at the end of the night he tried to make me to get in a taxi with him, with his friend physically grabbing hold of my arm and trying to force me in. I had to shout at him to let go and threaten to call the police, and walk off on my own as no-one around me would help me.
I’ve never been open about my gender critical views with a stranger like that before, and it was quite the eye-opener just how much of a cult this is, and just how nasty the misogynistic abuse can get. I’ve never been so repulsed by anyone and the level of abuse that was hurled at me, he was trying to torture me and break me mentally. I’m sure many of you have experienced this already, but for me it has made me realise that this movement needs nothing less than complete and utter obliteration at any cost, there can be no concessions or compromises, because they will not accept any themselves. Their, at best indifference to women’s safety, at worst hatred of women is so deeply ingrained that they will never, ever listen to us, despite us having all the evidence. All the facts which I presented to him he had absolutely no comebacks for apart from the tired old cliches that I dispelled very easily, so all he had was abuse.
This man would literally rather women and children were raped and abused than ever admit safeguarding is necessary. In fact, he seemed like he rather liked the idea of women being raped and abused and their movements in society limited. Some of these men and women will never, ever listen to any kind of reason. They don’t question anything they are told from their sources on social media – and they don’t read anything else on the subject, it is a fundamentalist cult that they have been brainwashed in, and anyone who doesn’t follow the cult will be dehumanised and tortured as I was.
He kept asking me ‘how do you know this’ – about very basic things such as the fact that intersex is not the same thing as trans and intersex people are still either male or female. He even denied that men and women have different body fat percentages, and when I told him this, he said ‘you just have to work harder’. They are completely in a bubble. They cannot accept that you can agree with someone like Trump on protecting women’s sports but disagree with him on practically everything else. It is heresy to look at anything that isn’t a far left source and to question anything at all coming from far left ideology. These are entertainment industry people peddling this propaganda, they are frankly dumb as f-ck and viciously aggressive and abusive with it.
I will silently despise all these men and women who would destroy everything women have fought for because of their own ignorance, misogyny and conceit for the rest of my life. I will never ever forget this and will never let these people into my life in any regard.
One highlight was after being told I must be a racist, I informed him how black women were sick of this sh-t as well and told him exactly why, then having this lovely black woman from the party come up to me and say that she agreed with me. It was a joyous moment of sisterly solidarity! Anyway, I had to just let this out somewhere because I am absolutely raging still and traumatised at the vicious attack and at the fact that barely nobody would help me and just stood there as he abused me. Never ever think of backing down, not even an inch, because they’re not going to. They do not care the slightest bit if women and children are murdered, raped or abused, miss opportunities or have all of their rights taken away, they would rather preserve their own egos and I rather suspect that with a lot of these men in particular they are enjoying women being stripped of their rights and abused. What he subjected me to was nothing less than evil, what these people are willing to let happen to women as collateral for their ideology is evil, and I don’t know that I will ever forgive it.

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Lovelyview · 25/02/2025 09:30

That sounds terrible. On the plus side an awful lot of people at that party now know what an absolute prick that man is. I'm sorry you experienced that op but if you can see yourself as a foot soldier in Operation Let Them Speak you might feel better. I'm glad someone reached out afterwards although I'm sorry more people didn't support you at the time. The best thing about being a sex realist is you know you're right.

Greyskybluesky · 25/02/2025 09:30

Sounds like you really hit a nerve with him!

A lot of people get aggressive when faced with reality. If they can get a load of misogynist abuse in there as well, so much the better.

Hope you are ok.

thisneedstoend · 25/02/2025 09:39

"On the plus side an awful lot of people at that party now know what an absolute prick that man is." I'm not so sure, sadly. Definitely won a few people over as I ripped him a new one and he had nothing to give but abuse, but to others I was still seen as a repulsive nasty woman for daring to defy the cult. They're totally captured by this ideology, as well as their misogyny (from both men and women) giving authority to what a man says over women, even someone as dumb and nasty as him.

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Greyskybluesky · 25/02/2025 09:43

at the end of the night he tried to make me to get in a taxi with him, with his friend physically grabbing hold of my arm and trying to force me in. I had to shout at him to let go and threaten to call the police, and walk off on my own as no-one around me would help me

WTF is this rapey behaviour? I really hope you don't run into this idiot again OP. He sounds dangerous, not just stupid.

OuterSpaceCadet · 25/02/2025 09:45

He's outed himself as a vicious misogynist and homophobe. And possibly very dangerous too; I'm quite concerned he tried to force you into a taxi with him.

There will have been many reasonable people at the party who noticed this. That said, the entertainment industry seems to protect and harbour abusive men for far too long.

thisneedstoend · 25/02/2025 09:49

Yes, the taxi part was absolutely horrendous. It was done under the pretext 'this woman is clearly out of control and I'm going to manage her'. It was the fact that people were just standing around watching as his mate grabbed hold of my arm and tried to force me in with them that was scary as well, nobody did anything. This bloke on first impression when I got talking to him seemed like a typical mild mannered lefty type, be warned.

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Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 25/02/2025 09:53

@thisneedstoend , I’m so sorry this happened to you and I’m impressed that you weren’t cowed by the group think which accompanies these people like a bad smell.
There are a growing number of people who are completely incapable of acknowledging that any subject has numerous angles from which to view it and their party piece is to spew vile accusations at anyone who has the temerity to consider a situation from a different perspective than they do. I thought the antisemitism displayed by this charming individual was interesting, it is common among those on the far left who display equally unedifying behaviour as those on the far right.

JeremiahBullfrog · 25/02/2025 09:55

Poor man. Wants to be woke so bad but can't even get the basics right. Homophobic, ableist, anti-sex worker - he needs to take lessons!

ArabellaScott · 25/02/2025 09:58

Unfortunately misogynist arseholes abound, always have done and always will do. I hope you're okay, OP.

thisneedstoend · 25/02/2025 10:06

Yep, it's funny how telling women to 'be kind' to transvestites wanting to take our rights away caused him to then unleash homophobia, stigmatisation of addicts and those with mental illnesses, sex workers, slut shaming, antisemitism including holocaust denial along with a whole bunch of incel ideas about women. When he casually asked me if I'd had a miscarriage I got him to ask me that again in front of everyone and asked him if he really thought he was winning an argument with that, if he ever stopped to look at himself and consider whether he was really the good guy here. What a despicable c-nt. I just despair if this guy is typical of the entertainment industry, as I rather suspect he is. Thanks for the kind words, I haven't shared this with people in my life as I have to keep my gender critical views to myself.

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Leeto888 · 25/02/2025 10:10

This doesn’t surprise me at all. Was this connected with UK theatre?

thisneedstoend · 25/02/2025 10:11

No, TV and I am abroad.

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NebulousDogBollocking · 25/02/2025 10:14

I'm so sorry you have been put through that by such an inadequate little man @thisneedstoend Flowers . Horrendous behaviour.

Leeto888 · 25/02/2025 10:15

It’s everywhere then @thisneedstoend I am so sorry this happened to you.

RayonSunrise · 25/02/2025 10:28

Where did this happen, @thisneedstoend? I work in some pretty woke-leaning settings, and I've never seen a disagreement along these lines run anything like that aggressively without someone at least attempting to step in and cool things off. ESPECIALLY if alcohol was involved!

thisneedstoend · 25/02/2025 10:33

France

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IwantToRetire · 25/02/2025 17:41

This sounds just out of control, but made worse by people standing round and doing nothing. And the taxi bit is totally unacceptable, and any sane person would have been phoning the police on your behalf.

Have seen that you are in France, and if my memory services me right wasn't it in France that 2 women who were trying to talk (promote a book?) about women's sex based rights were threatened with bomb attacks.

But also worth remembering that what keeps TRAs afloat is that it is based on the much older and much more ingrained culture of MRAs. ie how dare a woman believe she has more rights than men.

However - despite everyone else standing round you can take away from this one really positive thing - this lovely black woman from the party come up to me and say that she agreed with me - so not only supporting you but brave enough to do it publicly.

thisneedstoend · 25/02/2025 18:11

Yep, I don't always work in France so not that well-informed of the gender critical movement there, but it seems generally backwards on this issue. And yes, it was the fact that I kept telling him to go away, shouting at him to go away, and he kept coming back yet no-one did anything (mainly men standing around and a few younger, wokey women). The taxi part left me scared and thoroughly disgusted with these b-stards. To make it clear, it wasn't just him in the taxi but a couple of other people he was with, but I didn't know any of them and they were all on his side and had been berating me, so why the hell would anyone think it was acceptable to try to force me to get in a taxi with them? They were trying to make out I was the one with the problem, when I was the one trying to get away from him and was having a pleasant talk with other people about other things, but had to keep telling him to go away because he wouldn't leave me alone. I think the blokes standing around just thought it was one big joke, because tbh I was humiliating him with withering comebacks at all the abuse he was throwing at me, but I certainly wasn't enjoying it, it was genuinely traumatising.

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INeedAPensieve · 25/02/2025 22:22

Oh @thisneedstoend that sounds absolutely terrifying. Well done on keeping yourself safe and rant away, it sounds like you had a hell of a time.

These men are all the same. At the end of the day they only see women as sub human. Germaine Greer was right. We don't realise how much they hate us, until we do. Take care of yourself, you're not wrong and hopefully feel better soon.💐

RedToothBrush · 25/02/2025 22:29

'Woke bro' in reels out a steam of misogynistic abuse at woman who has the audacity to say 'no' shocker.

These guys are not any better than the old fashioned version. They just want to pretend they are.

They aren't very good at concealing their sexism and homophobia though, are they?

Holeinamole · 25/02/2025 22:33

Is it worth talking to the police about the attempted abduction? Physically depriving another person of their liberty might be a criminal offence, and it might be worth making a report so it is on record.

France seems to be really behind on this and women’s rights in general. The Pelicot case comes to mind.

JazzyBBBG · 25/02/2025 22:51

Wow, I'm sorry this happened to you.
I had my own incident last week (posted about under another name) whereby I was accused of all sorts of things for raising a concern but was in a work environment. Whilst it was troublesome it wasn't as scary as what you went through. The man sounds straight out of an Andrew Tate manual yet with a sympathy for trans. I don't understand the visceral need for people to defend something of which they generally have no lived experience and which can be scientifically proven as false. It's absolutely mad.

thenoisiesttermagant · 25/02/2025 23:59

thisneedstoend · 25/02/2025 10:33

France

Ah, the land where Gisele Pelicot suffered her abuse from the everymen. As she so bravely said, time for the shame to change sides.

What a rapey prick trying to force you into a taxi. So glad you got away.

user3827 · 26/02/2025 09:30

JeremiahBullfrog · 25/02/2025 09:55

Poor man. Wants to be woke so bad but can't even get the basics right. Homophobic, ableist, anti-sex worker - he needs to take lessons!

It makes you realise they're not in it for any kind of moral reasons, it's just what their circle of friends are in to too.

No critical thinking going on in that brain. No what's right vs what's wrong. Just fear of being rejected by his little circle of buddies - resulting in misogyny, homophobia (it's instinctive to step on others when you're a coward).