Ireland

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Reading about the Sandi Peggy case and the various issues that have arisen in Scotland - the rape crisis centre, secret cameras in mixed sex toilets in schools, Isla Bryson, Katies Dolatowski etc - it makes me think, is there just as much issues in Ireland?

i know Barbie Kardashian, the male player on a women’s GAA team. Are there as many issues in Ireland as there is in Scotland, but not really reported on in Ireland?

There was an 'Not all gays' meeting recently but I don't think they would be publicised too much for obvious reasons
https://x.com/MrMennoTweets/status/1930954833449607413?t=MCXfq3CpyKWXCPrexFxBQ&s=19
The Countess and Women's Space Ireland are both good accounts to follow.

Thanks a million.

This report, by Julie Bindel, might be of interest to some here:

https://unherd.com/2025/06/meet-irelands-gender-rebels/

Open it in a private/incognito window if the soft paywall blocks the article. It is also available on the usual archive sites.

https://x.com/laoisedebrun/status/1941837779568132485?s=19
I'm not sure why the government are suddenly getting nervous about the Hate Speech legislation. They were gung ho all along.
But, right now, 🤞it's just a step in the right direction.

Article discussing the recent SF meeting re their position on Genderism. Thought it would be of interest to the thread:

https://archive.ph/jBl33

'An urban-rural divide is emerging in Sinn Fein over the issue of trans rights. Ahead of its party conference on gender policy in Dublin on Saturday, party members appeared split on how to address the topic based on the constituency they represented.'

The Dublin TD says the voices of trans members, and parents of trans children, must be heard.
But I have no doubt there are also a lot of gender critical members of Sinn Féin.
Why does he not acknowledge that they also need to be heard?
We know Mary Lou has a trans brother. But, why is this such a priority for SF?
It's hardly a major vote winner.
It's very revealing that the party member who felt that their focus should be elsewhere didn't attend the conference. Despite the claims that they want open discussion we know, after the Cullinane episode, that the reality is very different.

You'd wonder how sustainable this is. The old IRA lads are still around, and not without influence. They didn't get into this to be Ireland's rainbow dildo party. All they've got to go on is that Mary Lou feels strongly about it (fair enough) and it's supposed to be really popular with urban youth (not proven).

I hate the way they are framing this. Dublin people are so progressive and enlightened and of course they are supportive of trans rights, puberty blockers etc. Whereas those out in the sticks are conservative (i.e backwards) 🙄

Have no lessons been learnt from the family referendum last year?

Certainly not the one about backward hicks having votes.

I've met Kerry GAA heads who were very supportive of trans rights. At the time I was pleasantly surprised. But that was a few years ago. I have since been disillusioned on this subject. Or perhaps enlightened is a better word. And I've no doubt the same is true for those lads in the Kingdom.

Since you mention the referendum last year, here’s an article you might find interesting. Ireland is being advised to hold the referendum again:

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2025/07/07/ireland-should-hold-another-referendum-on-women-in-the-home-un-committee-says/

Thank you, Utopia, I hadn't spotted that. Interesting that the UN is following it up.

It's fair to say that many? most? people who voted against the referendum question were not voting to indicate that they agree with the actual wording of the Constitution, so there is scope to remove the women-in-the-home stereotyping language, while asserting the position of women as equals in society.

But anything to do with 'women' is of course meaningless in Ireland where 'women' can also mean 'men'.

So any future re-wording would have to re-assert that 'women' are a social group designated by their biological sex, or it's useless, and hopefully the same stubborn electorate would just vote against it again.

I also like the idea that the wording states mothers should not be forced to work outside the home because of financial hardship. I think the State should be required to support the women who are creating and/or caring for its citizens. But I’m sure various Irish governments would dearly love to have that obligation removed and would see the referendum as a way of achieving that end.

Sigh

ARTICLE 45
The principles of social policy set forth in this Article are intended for the general guidance of the Oireachtas. The application of those principles in the making of laws shall be the care of the Oireachtas exclusively, and shall not be cognisable by any Court under any of the provisions of this Constitution.
1 The State shall strive to promote the welfare of the whole people by securing and protecting as effectively as it may a social order in which justice and charity shall inform all the institutions of the national life.
2 The State shall, in particular, direct its policy towards securing:–
i That the citizens (all of whom, men and women equally, have the right to an adequate means of livelihood) may through their occupations find the means of making reasonable provision for their domestic needs.

That people ignored that the marraige ban etc was a breach of a womans right to work for actual money
Or claimed a womans place is only in the home need to read the whole text.

I think a lot of people worried that removing the reference to mothers would also remove any constitutional underpinning for family allowance. In addition to the inability to define a woman. We must disabuse the government of any notion they can just run it by us again like previous referenda. Those Jedi tricks don't work here now. Ireland is a net contributor to the EU.

Has anyone come across this story? This article is the first I’m hearing of it. It’s like Róisín Murphy all over again:

https://m.sundayworld.com/showbiz/irish-showbiz/irish-singer-says-shes-been-cancelled-for-supporting-supreme-court-trans-ruling/a967578328.html

Irish singer says she’s been cancelled for supporting Supreme Court trans ruling

“It was met with an intense internet pile-on and online harassment”

The myriad messages of private support I have received since April tells me two things - that my views are widely sympathised with in Ireland, and that people are terrified to proclaim it,” she revealed.

“Is it not the remit of artists to speak what's true for them? How can creativity flourish if we are all expected to be a monolith of sameness where our beliefs are concerned?"

@Abhannmor

Its removal also undermines the consitutional protection for children to be kept within a family under financial pressure.

CHILDREN
ARTICLE 42A
1 The State recognises and affirms the natural and imprescriptible rights of all children and shall, as far as practicable, by its laws protect and vindicate those rights.
2 1° In exceptional cases, where the parents, regardless of their marital status, fail in their duty towards their children to such extent that the safety or welfare of any of their children is likely to be prejudicially affected, the State as guardian of the common good shall, by proportionate means as provided by law, endeavour to supply the place of the parents, but always with due regard for the natural and imprescriptible rights of the child.
2° Provision shall be made by law for the adoption of any child where the parents have failed for such a period of time as may be prescribed by law in their duty towards the child and where the best interests of the child so require.

Mother and baby homes came out of the Poor House where even "respectable" women could not get jobs and support their children.

Forced adoptions and the "public shame" of single mothers was a real economic issue into the 80s and 90s. Ireland was poor with low levels of industrialisation and limited office jobs add in no birth control or abortion (which after 3 Referendum is still only at the whim of the majority government of the day) and being sacked for being pregnant (married or not).

THE FAMILY
ARTICLE 41
1 1° The State recognises the Family as the natural primary and fundamental unit group of Society, and as a moral institution possessing inalienable and imprescriptible rights, antecedent and superior to all positive law.
2° The State, therefore, guarantees to protect the Family in its constitution and authority, as the necessary basis of social order and as indispensable to the welfare of the Nation and the State.
2 1° In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.
2° The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.

Then came the expectation that women have to work outside the home to be valuable in society. Minimum wage single mothers (or dads) and professional double income households had to self fund as there were no early years child care, no wrap around primary school care.
The "first generation" women still had mothers who were not in full time work who could sub in but are now a generation working to retirement and the Governments are still faffing around while women end up part-time to cover child or elder care role.

UtopiaPlanitia · Today 13:25
Has anyone come across this story? This article is the first I’m hearing of it. It’s like Róisín Murphy all over again:
https://m.sundayworld.com/showbiz/irish-showbiz/irish-singer-says-shes-been-cancelled-for-supporting-supreme-court-trans-ruling/a967578328.html
Irish singer says she’s been cancelled for supporting Supreme Court trans

Thank you for this Utopia, never heard of her but there are so many talented young women singer-songwriters in Ireland these days it's hard to keep up!
She sounds like a very strong woman, prepared to stand up for what she believes in - true Cork Rebel spirit!✊

I found this from 2021. She has a sense of humour, despite her serious appearance - cf the dog person/kitten nexus
and she worships Joni Mitchell, so she has a lot going for her, apart from supporting the UKSC ruling😀
Behind the music - Molly O'Mahony

She seems like a woman who knows her own mind and has an independent streak. So a bit of a nonconformist, which I like 😊

I've followed Molly on Instagram although I don't really go on there. Also Twix and FB.
The person behind the pile on seems to be some foodie/ eco / forager ' based in West Cork' . I think that's New Age speak for ' I'm not from here but I feel so Connected to my pagan goddess ancestors in this elemental crucible of divine energy etc etc'. Rita Wild by name.
And Molly isn't the only person she has tried to get cancelled apparently. Ugh. Ghastly people....make the Legion of Mary look fun

😂🙄

Blow ins! Causing upheavals with their 'notions'! 🙄

I have given her a follow.
The hypocrisy of these supposedly tolerant people who generally seem to be the most intolerant of them all.
https://x.com/molly_omahony/status/1942240157911994448?t=kXOAmNU-w52Z0sSt8T544g&s=19

Simon Harris has ruled out any further humiliating defeats rerun of the Referendum.
https://x.com/griptmedia/status/1942575729449001442?t=7SPvOKJL9a6ZZi5BCDFumQ&s=19

Totally 😁. Away with yeer scented candles and wind chimes. The devil 👿 mend yeer curated menus and workshops . That Rita one and her blaggarding. She'd ate a fry if twas put in front of her!