Ireland

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Reading about the Sandi Peggy case and the various issues that have arisen in Scotland - the rape crisis centre, secret cameras in mixed sex toilets in schools, Isla Bryson, Katies Dolatowski etc - it makes me think, is there just as much issues in Ireland?

i know Barbie Kardashian, the male player on a women’s GAA team. Are there as many issues in Ireland as there is in Scotland, but not really reported on in Ireland?

Which grassroots organisations are you referring to @Crackerjacked?

That’sa ridiculous question @mrshoho there are loads of them. Transgender trend, LGB alliance women’s rights network etc etc the only ones getting funding are Sex Matters

I’m very uncomfortable with the idea that she should be expected to fund everything because she’s rich. Male billionaires don’t have these expectations put on them.
She has already given so much in terms of public support, sunlight etc.

Crackerjacked
An objective of the fund it to enforce the rule of law via the courts system. Its project based and not designed around long term funding.

Do you not think that the two NHS cases has and will continue to to be a little wake-up call to all the nice women who think its ok to say TWAW without understanding that means her co-worker can get her sacked for not providing him with a strip show?

Or that the NHS policy would demand a male doctor and other staff to conspire to sexually assault her?

The Fife case exposed the fact that the organisation charged with safeguarding the public from unsafe doctors would hide a doctors professional history. They rolled back on that policy pretty dam quickly when that little jem hit the news.

The Union will have to explain its breach of contract when it decided not to protect its member from her employers breach of HR process. The union did not have to agree with the core element of the case but should have stood up to ensure the Senior Doctor and other management staff were held to account over the way they managed to ignore the HR rules.

With school and work place toilets and SSS the org cant ignore the law and managers cant lawfull tell staff to ignore the law. So managers choosing to enforce unlawful policy are choosing to risk being held accountable in a personal capacity.

Do you think the nurses union were only thinking about toilets when they looked at the SC ruling or did some of them finally realise that their members could be up on criminal charges if they played the game of lets pretend he is a woman in the way the NHS demands? And the front line staff involved would all be put on leave and have to fund their defence themselves?

And in Ireland

Why do you think the male child sex offender in the womens prison did not seek a High Court ruling to have his strip search carried out by an all female team?

There are cases over not being given access to exercise, training etc. yet a highly invasive lawfully regulated process and a GRC did not have him running to the High Court.

No Irish trans org is calling for his rights to be upheld. Its a slam dunk of a case. The prison staff involved will be on record with the time and date and the reason. Everything will all be documented. Its not as pretty as a looking for a passport but its a simple High Court win if the GRC is a legal sex change and the male POs will have to be instructed to stop searching him.

I'm sorry you think my question to you was ridiculous. I was trying to find out if there was a particular grassroots charity you had in mind for JKR to fund. For all we know she may well already be donating to the charities you have mentioned. She has established numerous charities that support women and children nationally and internationally including the funding and co founding of Beira's Place in Edinburgh. That's why I find it strange that you regard the new Women's Fund so negatively.

It's not her responsibility to fund everything, and we don't know that Sex Matters is the only one getting support. Even if it is, she may have decided a large sum spent on 1 is more effective than scattering it around lots with different focuses.

And as pointed out upthread, by acting independently - as a private individual - she has a lot more control and a lot less beaurocracy. She can pivot immediately if she sees a specific issue that needs support - without waiting for board meetings, votes, or to check whether it's within the written remit.

And it looks as if she's being very strategic about what she boosts. We don't know if she funded Forstater, but as I remember it the crowdfunder had some large-sum anonymous drops. That gives us the foundation.

FWS underpins everything to come.

Fife seems a solid NHS case - not just the individual decision on Upton but a heap of procedural failures that should make it winnable; and if one trust falls the rest will domino (and the whole public sector will start to realise they need to take notice).

Next the RCN. A big union, with a good chance of public sympathy - not supporting nurses gives a better media picture than a union not supporting train drivers or civil servants, or a massive incohesive membership group like Unison's. And if one union goes, that's another domino chain.

And Fife clearly shows the management policy conflict between staff and service users.

How can a staff member refuse the male doctor access to a female patient who asked for a woman doctor if they know they cant refuse him access to their own bodies.

Can you imagine the backlash if JKR decide to bankroll LGBA or Transgender Trend?? Whatever tiny bit of credibility they are afforded by TRAs would crumble, as they'd be seen as just paid mouthpieces of a transphobic billionaire.
As opposed to paid mouthpieces of the American Christian Right🙄

I guess groups like LGBA would prefer to be demonstrably independent of any one single financial backer.

I like the idea of my tenner or fiver contributing to a successful campaign, it reinforces the grassroots nature of the gender critical/biological realist/women's rights movement.

I'm obviously not alone in that because even though Sandie Peggie did not need crowdfunding, women donated to a fund in memory of Sandie's father who had died a short time before. We felt we wanted to show our involvement as well as our support. The Scottish Society for Rheumatology didn't know what hit them as a wave of donations, in support of Sandie, her family, and in memory of her father, flooded in

I think there'll always be an important place for independent, grass-roots funded [at least partially so] organisations.

When we were discussing building renovations at work, there was much discreet eyerolling among the senior ladies about making the toilets gender neutral.

I've become a bit of an expert on the regulations around toilets in the UK, but I'm not sure about the same in Ireland - must look them up!

But in the UK you can't just 'make the toilets gender neutral', you are required to provide single-sex toilets, unless there isn't enough room in which case a 'universal' toilet[s] is allowed.

If it's a renovation rather than a new construction, there must be women's and men's toilets in existence already, so there must be enough space, so there's no reason to replace them with 'universal' toilets on the basis of lack of space.

Unisex or 'universal' toilets have to be constructed as such to a certain specification - e.g. they have to be fully enclosed, and handwashing and drying facilities have to be inside the enclosed space.

So you can't just rebadge existing women's and men's toilets as 'unisex' or 'gender neutral', because they were not designed as 'universal' toilets and don't meet the required spec.

There's lots of discussion in a number of threads about how to challenge the removal of women's single sex toilets when health and safety, building regs, equality legislation, you name it, not only approves single sex toilet provision, but requires it.

But that's the UK. I'm off now to google the equivalent regs in Ireland!

Workplace regs are the same in Ireland as in the UK: separate single sex toilets for men and women are required unless there are specifically-designed unisex toilets provided.
Separate sanitary facilities should be provided for men and women except when the facilities are in a room, lockable from the inside and accommodating one person only at a time.
HSA Guide to the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work
(General Application) Regulations 2007 Chapter 1 of Part 2: Workplace
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I can't find the Irish building regs that apply to public buildings in general.

I was struck by the large number of documents about accessible toilets, ambulant disabled toilets, changing toilets with hoists etc etc - if they were realised and enforced, Ireland would be such a convenient [pun intended] place to be disabled😏

And if they weren't renaming the disabled toilets as all gender toilets, it would also be a convenient place.

Podcast interview by Ian O'Doherty with Paddy O'Gorman. What a genuine person Paddy is.

x.com/OdohertyI64991/status/1929211973939409343?t=jZl8OsZ_C2pm_xXhTN3V7g&s=19

Also, this week's interview with Stella O'Malley, who isn't afraid to name names.

https://x.com/OdohertyI64991/status/1930251592269267294?t=nSzE0FDU7tLd6iQ6fN8x3w&s=19

I am really enjoying these podcasts by Ian.

https://www.irishtimes.com/media/2025/06/10/why-is-irish-media-so-reticent-about-covering-gender-issues/
More of an analysis of his fellow journalists than an analysis of the impact of gender ideology but a step forward from the IT nonetheless.

"The truth may be simpler and more uncomfortable. Irish journalism, like Irish society, is small. The circles are tight. The cost of stepping on the wrong third rail – socially, professionally, reputationally – is high. Better, perhaps, to look away."

Yeah, finally something in the Irish times, even if he seems to be just saying they're all too cowardly to cover the topic. At least he's not condemning people with legitimate concerns about women as 'anti-trans' and all that nonsense. Most other Irish newspaper articles I've read (not that there's many) have a definite TRA bias.

The Irish Independent seems to be a bit more objective in its reporting, but their online articles are always behind a paywall.
It was the Indo that commissioned the Ireland Thinks poll that found that 70% of the sample supported the UKSC sex/gender ruling.
I think it was 70% - I've tried googling the poll but can't find it. It's probably somewhere on the Indo website behind a paywall.

I like that HL specifically mentioned Stella O'Malley who I remember as a regular 'guest expert' on the radio, and the author of well respected and well received books. Then she said the Wrong Thing, and now she's some kind of phobe...

That's a good sign anyway. Yes, I've seen better coverage of the issue in the Independent.

I'm not surprised this has come from Hugh Linehan as he's always struck me as not the type to suffer fools.

It's a strong article - clear. Very dedicated to not taking sides, but in doing so, has some of the most favourable commentary I've seen on the Cass report in the Irish media (which tells its own tale).

It sticks to its stated objective of criticising Irish media coverage of the issues and that's an important starting point.

Ireland is such an interesting case study on this issue. The exact same impulse that makes everyone toe the line from a policy and theoretical point of view - also means that practically, the demands of the transgender ideology have made little impact.

I live in a very liberal area of Dublin and everyone I know pays lip service to this (if asked) but would be totally mortified if a member of their family came out as trans and started demanding access to women's spaces. So although we're one of the most captured countries in the world, from a policy pov, it doesn't see
to impact that much at the same time. Except for specific areas like the prison service.

I see we have a true master of debate on this thread.

What do you mean by that @borntobequiet ? So you believe a nice comment appealing to other people to join you is a version of masterful debate?

https://x.com/OdohertyI64991/status/1933007631465001173?t=3zHJYBret05hIFECUjQ1Tg&s=19
Latest podcast from Ian O'Doherty. Michael Murphy gives a very interesting and informative perspective on the current situation in Ireland. Nothing to do with trans issues in the interview but some very good analysis of how Ireland is in a really difficult position on Hate Speech, which of course incorporates the trans issues.
This style of interviewing really suits Ian.

Telling someone their question is ridiculous isn’t helpful in debate, generally. If it was meant ironically, then I misread.

Does anyone know if there are any talks/conferences about these kinds of topics coming up? I know there was something recently (can't remember the name but apparently Helen Joyce and Richie Herron were guest speakers) but I missed it. I didn't know about it at the time. I'm feeling the urge to hear some sane people talking and to not feel so alone in my thoughts. Very grateful for these threads on mumsnet.

based in Ireland I mean.