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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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SuperSleepyBaby · 24/02/2025 01:11

Reading about the Sandi Peggy case and the various issues that have arisen in Scotland - the rape crisis centre, secret cameras in mixed sex toilets in schools, Isla Bryson, Katies Dolatowski etc - it makes me think, is there just as much issues in Ireland?

i know Barbie Kardashian, the male player on a women’s GAA team. Are there as many issues in Ireland as there is in Scotland, but not really reported on in Ireland?

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Boffinhere · 28/04/2025 09:20

Cailin66 · 28/04/2025 07:43

It was clear then that Regina Doherty minister didn’t have a clue. Especially when she suggested there were about nine genders. She had been indoctrinated by the Irish Stonewall called TENI. She’s now backtracking somewhat.

TENI were involved in financial Scandal relatively recently and have had a change of personnel.

The good news is schools are wiser now and unlikely to allow such organisations in to preach to the children.

BelongTo are in schools. They do an 18 month course which earns the school an LGBTQ+ Quality Mark. The latest awards ceremony was in March.
www.belongto.org/lgbtq-quality-mark-44-schools-and-education-centres-recognised/

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 28/04/2025 10:25

Thanks for posting that @Boffinhere , I am so delighted to see that my DC secondary school is no longer on that list!! I hope that means they have cut ties with them.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 28/04/2025 10:36

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 28/04/2025 10:25

Thanks for posting that @Boffinhere , I am so delighted to see that my DC secondary school is no longer on that list!! I hope that means they have cut ties with them.

Unfortunately that list is only those recognised at that event rather than all schools.

Boffinhere · 28/04/2025 10:38

I think it’s an 18 month course @LifeInAHamsterWheel. The article above listed the most recent graduates. I know our school got the award last year so they’re not on the above list either. I wasn’t happy about them being in the school I must say. I mean the education curriculum is online, but with this it’s more difficult to know what the kids are being told.

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 28/04/2025 12:44

Yes, I've since checked and that list is for 'newcomers'. My DC school is still listed as accredited. FFS 🙄 I've one nearly done and another half way through, I'll be so glad to get them out of the system (although I'm sure 3rd level is just as bad)

user1471471849 · 28/04/2025 13:55

TheKeatingFive · 24/02/2025 22:04

Yes, I can't imagine it being given too much air time in catholic schools.

Educate Together however would be all for it. 🙄

My kids are in a CoI school, so somewhere in the middle. I was very keen on ET at the time of enrolling, but very glad I dodged that bullet now. My friend's child is in one and briefly had a 'non binary' teacher that the 8 year olds were instructed to use they/them pronouns for. However it was a short lived appointment, though I'm not sure why.

Yes, there is a 5 year old trans girl (used to be boy) in our local Educate together school. It's heartbreaking for the child. We were all told about 'her' new pronouns and name and now that child has been socially transitioned into believing that they are actually a girl.

AnSolas · 28/04/2025 13:56

Endthisshit · 28/04/2025 08:28

I’m not sure about the t r a ns being in 23hr solitary, I did watch paddy o gorman interview women from prison, they said men often in as trans not in solitary, and I’d imagined they wouldn’t want to elect for women’s prison if they were automatically subject to solitary?

( all prisioners were put into C19 lockdown so that has been recorded in a prison visitor report and may be quoted out of context)

There are only 3 prisoners to date who opted to produce or had a GRC to produce.

At the end of the trial when there is a committal to prison the law has to followed the GRC.

And i think the way the GRA is worded the prisoner has a legal obligation to provide the State with a copy without being asked. So woman with a GRC has to produce her GRC and be placed in the mens system.

With no GRC every other male is sent to a mens prison. Eg the case of a male gay with cosmetic alterations prostitute convicted on trying to sell CSA images to a client who went to the Gardai (so ticking the same "boxes" as the one in for direct contact CSA) was sent to one of the midlands prisons.

And likely he needed to be held out of the general population for his own safety. The prison could elect to give him a personal PO.

So post GRC men/male becomes woman/female and there is no lawful way to place a woman in the mens system.

The Womens prison Dublin paid for 2 POs to be with the CSA offender at all times (assumption that did not cover the night shift). Cost of PO was 60kis salary ++ which could have been used or saved. So the other women are used as a tool to meet his social needs (so treated the same as any 'new' woman in the prison)

He was not a direct danger to women as he imo groomed the mother of the child as there was no reports of him attacking her or other women.
So no justification not to have him in the general population for the whole time he served.

Same as the one who attacked three men in the pub no direct VaWG and would be assessed as if he was a woman in for the same level of violence. And ignore that an underlying cause of the violence was i think anger about comments on being trans/not a woman.

Lock up rules are strict as the prisoner can go to the High Court to remove the restriction.

https://www.ihrec.ie/important-decision-of-the-high-court-in-case-concerning-prisoners-rights/

The Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (The Commission) today welcomed the decision of the High Court in the judicial review proceedings entitled McDonnell v. The Governor of Wheatfield Prison which held that the Applicant’s constitutional rights were breached as a result of being on 23 hour lock-up since February 2014.

The consitutional righ is very clear on duty of the State "shall do" and only resolution shall by letting the person "go" or proving the law applies:

FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS
PERSONAL RIGHTS
ARTICLE 40
4 2° Upon complaint being made by or on behalf of any person to the High Court or any judge thereof alleging that such person is being unlawfully detained, the High Court and any and every judge thereof to whom such complaint is made shall forthwith enquire into the said complaint and may order the person in whose custody such person is detained to produce the body of such person before the High Court on a named day and to certify in writing the grounds of his detention, and the High Court shall, upon the body of such person being produced before that Court and after giving the person in whose custody he is detained an opportunity of justifying the detention, order the release of such person from such detention unless satisfied that he is being detained in accordance with the law.

The same right is why BK's on sectioning hearing happened.

From memory it is now accepted as basic right of sectioning rights after a woman was sectioned by her husbands doctor for arguing with her husband in public. (Crazy right!) Her family forced the hospital to admit her being upset: at being sectioned and at her husband and the doctor involved did not prove she totally was "crazy" once the doctor signed to say she was.

https://www.iprt.ie/latest-news/iprt-welcomes-findings-of-high-court-in-restricted-regimes-case/

18th February 2015
IPRT has today welcomed the findings of the High Court that 22-23 hour solitary confinement regime imposed on a prisoner for almost a year amounts to a “clear sustained violation” of the prisoner's right to bodily and psychological integrity.
Key findings include:

  • 22 or 23 hour lockup regime amounts to solitary confinement;
  • solitary confinement can cause significant psychological harm to prisoners;
  • solitary confinement should be used only in exceptional circumstances and for a limited period of time;
  • after 3 or 4 weeks there should be an intensive review of such cases to ensure the conditions can come to an end at the earliest possible time.

https://www.iprt.ie/solitary-confinement/page5

https://www.iprt.ie/iprt-publications/behind-the-door-solitary-confinement-in-the-irish-penal-system/

This report contains 25 key recommendations centring on the use of solitary confinement and restricted regimes in Ireland. Our goal is ambitious but achievable – the abolition of solitary confinement in Ireland in the short term and the gradual elimination of the use of restricted regimes with the ultimate target of 12 hours out-of-cell time daily for all prisoners across the prison estate.
Some of the key recommendations arising from the report include:

  • The placement in solitary confinement of adults with mental health difficulties or mental or physical disabilities should be prohibited.

Two GRC men can provide out of cell companionship

https://www.thejournal.ie/barbie-kardashian-trial-5758736-May2022/

Thats nice in principle but how do we as a community deal with BK.
Want to stab someone and rape her as she bleeds out indicates MH issues.
He cant be sectioned because he is sane.
He cant be in general population because he has a history of ambush attacks.
His attacks mainly focused on women so the childrens system bared women POs managing him
Plus for safety the team should be a minium of 5 men

https://www.iprt.ie/latest-news/iprt-welcomes-focus-on-irish-prisons-by-european-anti-torture-committee/

And to note as the committe visited the chlidrens unit the PO have been the people who are refusing to manage a mixed sex childs unit which some do-gooder thinks would be a good idea.

Important decision of the High Court in case concerning prisoner’s rights

The Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (The Commission) today welcomed the decision of the High Court in the judicial review proceedings entitled McDonnell v. The Governor of Wheatfield Priso

https://www.ihrec.ie/important-decision-of-the-high-court-in-case-concerning-prisoners-rights

MarieDeGournay · 01/05/2025 08:43

There seems to be an effort - maybe even a 'concerted campaign', but I try to avoid hyperbole- since the UK Supreme Court ruling to highlight trans issues in the Irish media.

The journal.ie is a major online news source in Ireland. It has run TWO long articles on trans healthcare in Ireland over the past two days.

Today it publishes an in-depth 'investigation' piece:
Transgender people turning to DIY-healthcare due to lack of trust in National Gender Service
The Journal Investigates heard from transgender people pushed into accessing healthcare outside the official channels
Transgender people turning to DIY-healthcare due to lack of trust in National Gender Service
and yesterday
‘It left me traumatised’: The barriers to accessing transgender healthcare in Ireland:
The HSE has admitted that transgender healthcare is ‘limited’ and is ‘not meeting people’s full range of needs’.
‘It left me traumatised’: The barriers to accessing transgender healthcare in Ireland

I confess I only scanned today's article, but I see it has taken the autism+transitioning issue and turned it into 'They are saying autistic people can't make informed decisions'... And access to 'HRT' is one of the complaints.
WPATH is not being invoked any more, they've got the message on that, at least.

If the transgender population in the UK is 0.5%, i.e. about 262,000 people, and if there is the same percentage of transgender people in the Republic of Ireland, that is a tiny number of people to provide a bespoke health service to.

Comments are closed on these articles, but I think a lot of people would be very unsympathetic about men not being able to get 'HRT' and scarce resources being diverted to fund unnecessary and potentially dangerous treatments for a small self-selected group.

The only upside is that any transpeople considering fleeing the transphobic hell which the UK has now become to seek asylum in Ireland may read about how awful trans healthcare is here and decide to flee elsewhere...

And there's the awful climate - it's -5 degrees again today, with snowdrifts forming and hundreds of communities cut off and running out of supplies. And person-eating tigers roaming the streets. And the astronomical price of a pint. And whole towns, complete with their entire populations, suddenly falling into the sea because of coastal erosion. And the seas are full of sharks. And we never win Eurovision any more. And the vicious alligators in the rivers. And Colin McGregor... Really, transfolk, you'd hate it here😏

DeanElderberry · 01/05/2025 09:11

@MarieDeGournay telling it like it is there. Trust her.

She's right about the media and trans stuff too.

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 01/05/2025 09:51

Totally agree about the media, and The Jounal in particular, I complained to their editor twice about the trans nonsense they were spouting but got no response of course. I haven't looked at their site in years.

AnSolas · 01/05/2025 10:15

The only upside is that any transpeople considering fleeing the transphobic hell which the UK has now become to seek asylum in Ireland may read about how awful trans healthcare is here and decide to flee elsewhere...

Well they should check the law in ireland
No specific trans clause and gender clause is F=F and M=M (by birth or GRC) and no obligation to recognise non-Irish GRC.

And GP (businesses) pay their own medical insurance so can be very pickie over acts which brings that into play.

And you pay €80 for your own HRT as its only free for women if and when the government work out the details
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2025-03-25/719/

And timing a baby who was given unneeded surgery is always going to lead on healthcare scandals for the next while.

Medicinal Products

Medicinal Products Dáil Éireann Debate, Tuesday - 25 March 2025

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2025-03-25/719/

MarieDeGournay · 01/05/2025 13:14

Thank you for backing me up, and oops about writing 'Colin' instead of 'Conor' McGregor - insufficient caffeine intake at time of posting.🙄

Please don't tell him I called him Colin, he might get cross with me and you know what happens to people Conor McGregor gets cross with..😬

Nebulousbiologist · 01/05/2025 13:27

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 01/05/2025 09:51

Totally agree about the media, and The Jounal in particular, I complained to their editor twice about the trans nonsense they were spouting but got no response of course. I haven't looked at their site in years.

To say that the Journal actually did investigate might be a bit of a stretch. This is the journalist who did the 'investigating'
https://x.com/TJ_Investigates/status/1917830438678106375?t=XJiDihYRwwMlU-vw-IHMyw&s=19
Trans flag, pronouns in bio.
No bias there at all at all 😉

TheKeatingFive · 01/05/2025 13:49

The journal is basically just student activists. There's zero actual journalism going on there.

SionnachRuadh · 01/05/2025 13:57

You know I hate to be cynical, but sometimes I wonder if larping is Ireland's default culture. Student activists larping as journalists isn't the half of it.

We've currently got a huge controversy around Kneecap, who pose as revolutionaries while being about as radical as Rory Stewart.

Maybe Brits larping as the opposite sex will fit right in.

elgreco · 01/05/2025 17:50

We really don't need anymore delusional people, please god they don't all emigrate here.

AnSolas · 01/05/2025 21:41

SionnachRuadh · 01/05/2025 13:57

You know I hate to be cynical, but sometimes I wonder if larping is Ireland's default culture. Student activists larping as journalists isn't the half of it.

We've currently got a huge controversy around Kneecap, who pose as revolutionaries while being about as radical as Rory Stewart.

Maybe Brits larping as the opposite sex will fit right in.

Whispers so softly ....

"They are actually British so the UK media safely say so your British "

.... and exits. ....

Although they are just old enough not to need an Irish granny?

Nebulousbiologist · 04/05/2025 20:44

Genesis1v27 · 04/05/2025 14:01

A piece on the Irish Times site this weekend by Colette Colfer and John Armstrong:

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2025/05/04/why-do-we-have-a-charter-for-thought-control-in-irish-universities/

It is behind a soft paywall, so can be read in an incognito tab, or on archive sites.

"The Athena Swan Charter was adopted in Ireland 10 years ago to promote laudable goals of equality and diversity and to address the long-standing underrepresentation of women in sciences. Over time, however, its focus has shifted. While the Athena Swan Ireland principles require the active promotion of gender self-ID and intersectionality, they do not mention women at all."

We do have our priorities in Ireland and women's rights aren't one of them.

MarieDeGournay · 05/05/2025 11:57

Genesis1v27 · 04/05/2025 14:01

A piece on the Irish Times site this weekend by Colette Colfer and John Armstrong:

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2025/05/04/why-do-we-have-a-charter-for-thought-control-in-irish-universities/

It is behind a soft paywall, so can be read in an incognito tab, or on archive sites.

It was such a relief to see that piece in the Irish Times at the weekend.
The online news source the journal.ie has run several pro-trans pieces one after the other recently after the UKSC ruling.

Here is today's, it's an opinion piece and I strongly advise you to have a calming tincture to hand before you read it. Here's an extract, by way of warning:

In 2015, when I was just starting a PhD in women’s studies, my twins Jamie and Zack (these names are pseudonyms) were starting primary school. Although my twins are identical, Jamie expressed a very different gender identity to their brother from as early as they could express themselves, and we embraced this.
Opinion: Trans lives aren’t black and white, our conversations about them shouldn’t be either

This is what we are up against in Ireland😬

That said, I bet if they kept the comments open, they'd be deluged with 'ah for feck's sake' comments - I don't think many people go along with this kind of extreme genderwoo.

It's actually quite disturbing to think that a fantasy in a little child's rich imagination - it could just as easily have been 'an identity' as a dinosaur or an astronaut - was seized on by their parents as a permanent article of faith that the family had to embrace, and that had to shape the child's whole future. Shocking.

Opinion: Trans lives aren’t black and white, our conversations about them shouldn’t be either

Carol Ballantine says she worries about parents like her trying to make sense of gender in an ever-more polarised context.

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/trans-rights-uk-6693268-May2025/

Genesis1v27 · 05/05/2025 12:06

The Journal.ie also published this, by "Aoife Martin"

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/trans-rights-scotland-6693241-May2025/

Mermoose · 05/05/2025 12:56

I don't think I can bring myself to read A. Martin's opinion piece although perhaps I should as I only visited Mumsnet because Martin described it as a nest of transphobia or something like that.
It was in an interview I was listening to because I was trying hard to be a good trans ally. Oh well. Thanks Martin!

Nebulousbiologist · 05/05/2025 13:07

Mermoose · 05/05/2025 12:56

I don't think I can bring myself to read A. Martin's opinion piece although perhaps I should as I only visited Mumsnet because Martin described it as a nest of transphobia or something like that.
It was in an interview I was listening to because I was trying hard to be a good trans ally. Oh well. Thanks Martin!

Ah @Mermoose It sounds like you were corrupted by those heathen British TERF's.
Go back to reading the journal.ie and you have some hope of redemption.

Cailleach1 · 05/05/2025 13:20

In this case, I suppose those who don’t profess the new anti scientific, sex changing ideology are the heathens. Well, in that case I’d prefer heathen to pretending to believe in this woman, and gender non conformity, hating shite. One constant characteristic of the new ideology is that it rides a coach and four through Irish women’s rights.

Cailleach1 · 05/05/2025 14:21

I didn’t know who ‘aoife’ Martin is. I googled and found a biological man. This new enabling of safeguarding breaches is incredible to a generation who saw the seriousness of the recommendations of Fern Report and other inquiries about child sex abuse in Ireland. All the safeguarding measures being thrown aside as lads are given a carte blanche loophole to access places where children (and women) may be in a state of undress etc. Is the Irish state trying to enable the abuse of a new generation of Irish women and children? By creating a situation where a new generation of victims are more easily accessed by men? I am not saying any particular man is a predator. We do not know by merely looking at someone whether they are a predator or not. That is why safeguarding without loopholes is so important.

That ‘Aoife’ Martin fellow likes swimming. I would hope he goes to the men’s changing room. On one of the threads about the Ladies Ponds in London, a poster wrote of a man who intruded on the Women’s pond, sitting on the deck with his penis penis, and one of his testicles hanging out the side of his ‘ladies’ swimsuit. That was in London of course. Maybe in Ireland they’ve not removed safeguarding boundaries to allow Irish men being able to expose themselves, and commit voyeurism in such spaces. In the interests of the women and children present. The recommendations of robust safeguarding on foot of the inquiries into the sex abuses are surely not being discarded so quickly.

I see Norma Foley said she found a report about sex abuse by religious orders to be a harrowing document. I’d hope Norma would find sex offences by all men to be a dreadful thing. It would be hypocritical if Norma (or anyone else in that position) supports (or enables) all men being effectively given carte Blanche to access places where children are in a state of undress and maybe more vulnerable. I’d hope she wouldn’t be such a hypocrite. Or, are we supposed to support the pretence that men aren’t men. If that is the case, it would be no less harrowing than the historical abuses and those colluding to allow it, or cover it with a pretence they aren’t men. I wonder if Norma finds it also harrowing to read that women are being locked up with men in prison. That women are living with threats of rape in that intimidating and abusive situation they have been placed in by the Irish state. Or women attacked by men in refuges.

I hope in 50 years time we don’t have to carry out another inquest about how the Irish state enabled situations where men, who wished to do so, could more easily access children. And women. I wonder which ministers will be named as supporting, or being a driving force of, this safeguarding removal? I hope women are meticulously documenting the words and actions of officials who have removed safeguarding, or support its removal. This will more easily enable any potential new victims to pinpoint (and fully expose) those who were happy to deliberately remove the safeguarding recommendations of the various sex abuses inquiries. Small comfort to the potential future victims, but important to reveal those who deliberately created a more dangerous Ireland for women and children.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/sep/03/ireland-to-set-up-inquiry-into-sexual-abuse-at-schools-run-by-religious-orders

Excuse my rambling, but I’m quite cross how these people have so easily betrayed the rights of women and children in the interests of entitled whims of men. All the while saying how they find the past harrowing.

Ireland to set up inquiry into sexual abuse at schools run by religious orders

Inquiry to follow preliminary investigation unearthing 2,400 allegations of historic abuse

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/sep/03/ireland-to-set-up-inquiry-into-sexual-abuse-at-schools-run-by-religious-orders