Mumsnet listed as Anti-Trans

[Hoosemover]

there a list of organisations and Mumsnet is on it. Along with the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

x.com/twisterfilm/status/1888255119449268674?s=61

No, no more than "Marxist ideology" is anti-communist. It's a completely normal term to use in politics.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/ideology-society

I have looked back through this thread and have I missed where you have done this? Where you have explained clearly why you have doubled down over threads declaring that MN is 'anti-trans' and I believe in the past you have declared MN transphobic as well? If I have missed it, I apologise, but can you then point me to a time stamp so I can understand where your position is please.

To be fair you might have and never known they were trans.

Here.

Isn’t the choice of the word ‘ideology’ inherently anti-trans?

No, because it is about a belief. Feminism is an ideology too.

I can't imagine that happening if I knew them well; but to answer your question, using the example of somebody I found out to be male:

since they would be on the outskirts of my acquaintanceship, I'd start referring to them as their biological sex, but on the occasions - probably rare as I clearly didn't know them very well - that I was talking to them directly, I'd continue addressing them as I always did. I'd probably automatically steer away from using pronouns as much as possible.

I think that would happen automatically because of the cognitive dissonance of calling someone I now know to be male by the pronoun 'she'.

That’s it?

You declare MN is anti-trans, a negative generalisation, because of a people don’t comply with your personal philosophical belief about language?

Can you understand that it is your own philosophical belief to use your preferred language?

Why do you believe other people should comply with a language request? Or is it a demand and anyone who disagrees is immediately labelled as hateful?

Thanks for clarifying by the way.

"Mumsnet listed as Anti-Trans" - well, they would, wouldn't they.

You asked, I answered.

How do you think Mumsnet is pro trans?

I asked if you found out someone you knew was trans would you alter how you treat them?

MN not being pro trans doesn't mean that it is anti trans

You asked: If you found out someone you knew was trans and you had no idea previous would you start referring to them as their biological sex?

I answered this question - how I would refer to them, not how I would treat them, two different things.

And yet it is the dictionary definition given on Google.

I guess in that case it would be best if trans people who pass never let people know they are trans.

Nope
Its not hard to tell, at least in real life

Some people do pass in real life. I’m with one of them.

And yet it is the dictionary definition given on Google.

I don't doubt it.

That sort of definition of 'femininity' is a lot of the reason many of us are gender critical feminists. Not primarily to do with trans issues, just a rejection of the idea women should be bound and defined by those characteristics.

Why?

Because you would refer to them differently.

This could affect how others now see them or refer to them if you call them a woman and then they meet a man.

It seems safer for those that pass to just stay quiet and go about their business.

The goal of being trans is to pass as the opposite gender not much point informing people who will change thier opinion.

For 'feminine'.

Not for 'female', which is a body type.

It isn't the dictionary that says those adjectives refer to all, and only, female people.
(In the same way that Google isn't a dictionary, yet they are often wrongly conflated)

And I thank you for answering.

I think MN is pro woman and children. And so, if you believe that these positions are anti-trans, what does that say about your positioning?

You asked me? Sorry, I thought you were asking other people.

I already know trans people. Many of the FWR posters keep telling those posters who seem to think we don’t know people with transgender identities. I treat the people I know with transgender identities as I treat anyone. Why? What how do you assume I treat them?

Exactly.

This is another way to coercively pressuring people to act as if they support a philosophical belief they don’t have.

That anyone these days believes this is righteous and even acceptable is remarkable.

I’m curious if you insist on referring to them as their biological sex?

Do you think there are jobs they shouldn’t do?

Why do people get to deceive others to force them to support their philosophical belief though?

You really don’t seem to be able to address that issue.

Why would "ideology" be inherently negative or anti-trans? I don't understand that at all. Any way of thinking about the world or set of beliefs is an ideology. And every ideology will garner a wide range of responses.

I believe that if a job has been specified as being for a specific sex, or has specific sex requirements, then I believe there should be honesty about that sex characteristic. Otherwise, why should their sex matter if they fulfill the other requirements?

Genuinely, if a job role has a requirement specific to a person’s sex, do you believe they should be dishonest about their sex?