NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #6

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Thread 5: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

There was a split second of stunned silence at that point, wasn't there? It was moved on from extremely quickly, but the fact that it seems that there was a suggestion from within NHS Fife itself that their actions were unlawful (and that Upton should never have been in the female changing room in the first place, i.e. this situation should never have been allowed to happen) is very interesting.

No wonder NC is holding firm on the paper trail.

I've not read TT yet nor most of this morning's thread.

So the first "investigation" wasn't disclosed and the work-related complaints were added weeks later?

The omission can hardly be accidental; Beth would have made notes on a phone!

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They really thought they could crush her didn't they?

And all because she left a room because she wasn't comfortable getting undressed in front of a man.

There is no way on this earth that NHS Fife have anything more than a single on call IT tech over weekends....

Getting these searches and providing all the documents asked for in their native formats with all the information about access, authoring, editing etc, is going to require a team of many working every hour between now and then.

More cost. More waste. More people sucked into this stupid whirlpool of nonsense.

Learnings such as "the importance of properly documenting meetings relating to disciplinary procedures"?

Where can you watch the live feed?

Beth has precisely zero notes of likely several meetings and discussions related to SP being suspended. None.

But made notes on the VERY FIRST OCCASION SP appeared uncomfortable after he walked in on her in only a bra and trousers.

I stand with Sandie Peggie.

She is so brave, and i admire her so much. They really did conduct a witch hunt, it's unbelievable. And now they don't even have the guts to produce the evidence they so clearly must have. I wish I had more money so could donate more to her Dad's memory.

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Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

Do we know the content of the intemperate email that was mentioned a couple of times please? Or is it just those with access to the bundle who knows wtf it says?

Doubt they'll have made any firm plans, the weekend going AWOL in the middle of a trial is common. Tiresome, annoying, frustrating, but not entirely unforeseen. Paper dumps (now including the virtual kind) happen. Trials are brutal on the solicitors as well as Counsel.

The emails provided would have been done as a request through NHS Fife governance/compliance/legal team? Ie not just given by whatever staff members? Am a bit confused.

Surely for the court case the IT team was asked by the in house legal team go pull off these emails?

Again it paints a picture.
Incompetence in knowingly employing Dr U and not preparing accomodations in advance of their arrival
Incompetence in writing a policy that flouts longstanding H&S law without due care
Incompetence in refusing to engage with SP when she asked for help - advising her to deal with Dr U herself
Incompetence in allowing SP to speak to Dr U resulting in them assuming it was a hate incident instead of her following advice of managers
Incompetence in the investigation of the matter and potentially inability to adequately document the process of SP's suspension (and lack of clarity about what the suspension was for)
Incompetence about who was running the investigation and someone's decision to ignore a letter to the board in support of women only changing spaces
Incompetence in responding to court orders...
It is not a good look is it

Meanwhile, on TRA Reddit, they're sending love and admiration to brave St Doctor Beth, who was so brutally attacked by the narsty nurse who laid in wait for her in the changing room. Hopes are being expressed that the judge will throw the book at the horrible Trumpy nurse.

They're pretty peed off about the copious misjendahing by JR, too.

Well, quite. Along with applying the law fairly and appropriately in all scenarios, but in particular respect to single sex spaces. And disclosing documents as required by orders.

CPD Aims: masterclass in "how not to do HR".

From TT, I thought that it was Sandie's solicitor who said that her suspension should be lifting and females CRs kept solely for females, although I'm not fully caught up yet. Whenabouts was this said please?

I promise not all of us HR people are incompetent. Many, yes, but not all.

TT tweets from this morning's fuckery

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1887793951769338255.html

Based on what was said, NHS Fife been asked repeatedly to produce these emails and have failed to do so.

Absolutely you aren't. This particular investigation issue is a good lesson in "what not to do", however. And keeping notes, even brief ones, of crucial meetings might be near the top of a list of avoidable errors.

LOL @ this morning's fuckery

That was indeed a crazy crazy morning.

I thought they said it was in one of the emails that was produced by NHS Fife during the first non-investigation, but could be wrong.

Thanks so much to everyone and to @nauticant for keeping the threads moving ever so smoothly.

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