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My 14 year old daughter has been sharing school changing rooms, including swimming, with a male. The school never told me, or her. What would you do?

358 replies

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 09:51

I believe this to be a failure of safeguarding and a risk to every female in the school.

I do not believe the school can give consent in any way, all children are under the age of 16, so they cannot either.

The school in question has adopted the Brighton Trans Inclusion Toolkit which actively encourages males and females to share spaces, including sleeping, without any supervision. They also have unisex toilets.

For the record, I believe all gender questioning children should be given full, dignified support for their schooling. However their needs do not supersede safeguarding and dignity of all female pupils.

What would you do? What legislation, guidance, rules would you quote to them? Straight to governors? The police? What?

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SernieBanders · 10/02/2025 12:38

Kalalily · 10/02/2025 12:18

Off topic - sorry OP but astounded to hear this on the radio just now about an U12 girls football team in York challenged by parents because a girl with short hair came on and scored - the implication being that she must be a boy. Not a one off according to the coach. Unbelievable that parents have this attitude In 2025.
I had short hair in the 80s and 90s - never once did anyone accuse me of being a boy. Poor kids nowadays 😞

Behold the fallout of pushing this agenda I suppose. People incorrectly being accused of getting into sexed spaces. All because this nonsense was pushed.

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Kalalily · 10/02/2025 14:41

The point I was trying to make was that I could live my life and play any game I wanted, anywhere I wanted, in the school playground, park etc, without fear of being misgendered. Poor kids nowadays
Not to mention how backwards it is for parents to think that it takes a boy to come on to score!!

OuterSpaceCadet · 10/02/2025 15:02

Gender stereotypes are really "in" at the moment. Be they the traditional (stay in your pink / blue lane) or the faux progressive (I like the stereotypes from the other lane therefore I have changed sex).

One feeds off the other. If we had no sex stereotypes associated with clothing, it would be interesting to see how many people claimed a trans identity without there being obvious signifiers to express. (Interestingly men never seem to want to adopt the deeper stereotypes associated with keeping women out of power).

AnSolas · 10/02/2025 16:18

Kalalily · 10/02/2025 14:41

The point I was trying to make was that I could live my life and play any game I wanted, anywhere I wanted, in the school playground, park etc, without fear of being misgendered. Poor kids nowadays
Not to mention how backwards it is for parents to think that it takes a boy to come on to score!!

And the children are under pressure to obey without question 24/7 because they will be bullied on the school ground, over social media if they misgender the child who is just attention seeking.

As for sports some teams (female or male) field over age players and even adults to win non compeditive matches.
And if the Ref is with the team which is cheating that way or tatical fouling the other children they can and do ignore their obligation to play fair.

SernieBanders · 10/02/2025 19:14

The guardian were asking for letters commenting on the Sandie Nurse case here

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/09/no-woman-should-be-forced-to-change-her-clothes-in-front-of-a-trans-colleague

and I have written to them saying it’s even worse for children and nobody is covering it.

Female-Only Spaces Must Be Defended – Especially in Schools

Your article on NHS Fife highlights the fundamental issue at the heart of gender identity policies: the erosion of women’s right to single-sex spaces. The law is clear that female employees should not be expected to share changing rooms with males, however they identify. Yet, in workplaces across the UK, employers are unlawfully prioritising male inclusion over female dignity, privacy, and safety.

But the situation in schools is even worse. Due to misleading and often illegal guidance—such as Brighton Council’s Trans Inclusion Toolkit—hundreds of secondary schools are actively allowing male pupils to undress fully alongside female students. This is happening without parental knowledge or consent. Unlike adults in a workplace, these girls have no power to object, no trade union to defend them, and are taught that saying no is ‘bigotry’.

This doesn’t just violate safeguarding principles; it deliberately undermines girls’ ability to set personal boundaries. From childhood, we teach girls to be cautious around men for their own safety. Yet these policies demand that they ignore their instincts, accept male bodies in female spaces, and suppress discomfort—even when undressing. This normalises female submission and leaves girls vulnerable.

If we recognise that female staff should have single-sex spaces at work, how can we possibly justify denying teenage girls the same rights? The damage being done is incalculable. These policies must be scrapped immediately.

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Britinme · 10/02/2025 19:21

Great letter, @SernieBanders

BellesAndGraces · 10/02/2025 19:32

Excellent letter, well done.

Snowmanscarf · 10/02/2025 19:47

Great letter. Thank you on behalf of women and girls everywhere.

Helleofabore · 10/02/2025 20:36

Nice letter. Thank you

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/02/2025 21:30

Excellent letter. This needs to be said more often.

Grammarnut · 10/02/2025 21:48

Excellent letter. Needs saying until things change. Thanks.

KateBAnd3 · 10/02/2025 22:08

@SernieBanders absolutely brilliant letter, well done. I'll be checking the Guardian regularly to see if they publish it!

FallenSloppyDead · 10/02/2025 23:57

KateBAnd3 · 10/02/2025 22:08

@SernieBanders absolutely brilliant letter, well done. I'll be checking the Guardian regularly to see if they publish it!

Brave woman, taking one for the team! Please let us know if they do

OuterSpaceCadet · 11/02/2025 09:43

Oh excellent letter OP

ThePeppyMoose · 02/03/2025 19:10

The op managed to lose access to their email account and they asked me to pop a copy of the complaint letter up and ask for any helpful feedback :) Any feedback at all welcomed!

[Your Name and Address]
[Date]

For the attention of:
Xxxxx, Head of School & Designated Safeguarding Lead
Xxxx School
[School Address]

CC: [Any additional recipients—Chair of Governors, LA Safeguarding Team, etc.]

Subject: Formal Complaint Concerning Safeguarding and Mixed-Sex Changing Facilities

Dear xxxxx,

I write to lodge a formal complaint on safeguarding grounds regarding the school’s stance that students’ use of changing rooms be considered on a “case-by-case” basis. This issue arose when I requested an unequivocal guarantee that no male—regardless of any declared “gender identity”—would be permitted to see females in a state of undress (nor vice versa) on school premises or during any school activity. Your recent response confirms that the school maintains a “case-by-case” approach, which I regard as unacceptable, illegal, and a serious failure of safeguarding.

I set out below the key points underpinning my complaint:

1. Legal and Statutory Obligations

  1. Draft DfE Guidance (Gender Questioning Children, 2023) Page 14 of the consultation document is explicit: “Schools must not allow a child, aged 11 years or older, to change or wash in front of a child of the opposite sex, nor should they be subject to a child of the opposite sex changing or washing in front of them.” This principle is not optional. It directly reflects schools’ statutory duty to provide suitable single-sex changing and washing facilities for pupils 11 and over.
  2. Keeping Children Safe in Education (KCSIE) 2024 This is statutory guidance. Schools must have regard to it when carrying out their duties to safeguard children. KCSIE 2024 acknowledges that, in the majority of cases, “girls are more likely to be victims of sexual violence and sexual harassment and more likely it will be perpetrated by boys.” Allowing boys into girls’ private changing areas fundamentally conflicts with the spirit and letter of this guidance.
  3. Equality Act 2010 and Human Rights Act 1998 • Under the Equality Act 2010, schools may lawfully offer single-sex facilities (and generally must do so from age 8 upwards). Any policy allowing males in female facilities likely constitutes indirect discrimination against female pupils on grounds of sex. • It also risks sexual harassment claims, as set out in sections 26 and 85(3) of the Act. • Further, Article 8 of the Human Rights Act (the right to privacy) is engaged when a girl is compelled to share intimate spaces with someone of the opposite sex—consent cannot override that fundamental right, particularly for minors who cannot meaningfully waive safeguarding protections.

2. The Brighton & Hove Trans Inclusion Toolkit is Unlawful

You referenced receiving advice from the Local Authority. However, Brighton & Hove’s Trans Inclusion Toolkit is widely criticised and legally unsound. As set out in Karon Monaghan KC’s Advice (published by Doyle Clayton Solicitors), this toolkit contravenes the Equality Act 2010 in multiple respects, particularly regarding single-sex changing facilities. Nothing in that toolkit can justify breaching statutory safeguarding duties or placing female pupils in a position where they must undress in the presence of males.

Further, Oxfordshire County Council withdrew its own similar toolkit when challenged in court (see Safe Schools Alliance legal action). The same arguments apply here: you cannot override single-sex protections in changing rooms by simply declaring a “case-by-case” approach. Trans-identifying male pupils remain legally male and cannot share these intimate facilities with female pupils—especially minors—without exposing the school to liability, and more importantly, placing girls at risk.

3. Safeguarding Cannot Be Overridden by “Consent” or “Case-by-Case”

No parent, pupil, or external authority can grant permission for a male to see a female in a state of undress (or vice versa) in your school’s facilities. Children cannot consent to these arrangements, and even if they did, they lack the legal capacity for such consent. As the new DfE draft guidance emphasises, social transition is not a “neutral act” and must never conflict with fundamental safeguarding principles.

Permitting a male to be present when girls are changing constitutes an immediate safeguarding threat to both the girls and, potentially, the male pupil. This arrangement sets the stage for possible indecent exposure, voyeurism, or sexual harassment—offences under criminal law. It further undermines girls’ rights to privacy and dignity, as also highlighted in official government guidance (e.g., Fair Play For Women and Safe Schools Alliance analyses).

4. Harmful Impact on All Children, Including Those Who Are Gender Questioning

I am mindful that some pupils experience gender distress or identify as trans. Naturally, they should receive every support and compassion the school can offer. However, that support must not come at the expense of female pupils’ boundaries or legally required single-sex spaces. In addition, encouraging a child who identifies as trans to believe they may lawfully access the opposite sex’s intimate spaces could set them up for confusion, possible conflict with peers, or even legal jeopardy if accusations of voyeurism or indecent exposure arise. Adopting a “case-by-case” approach fails both sets of pupils.

5. My Required Outcome

This complaint seeks a clear, written assurance from xxxxx School that:

  1. Males of any age or identity status will never use female changing or shower facilities, and vice versa.
  2. The “Brighton & Hove Trans Inclusion Toolkit” will not be used to override statutory safeguarding obligations, nor will it be relied upon to justify or encourage mixed-sex changing of pupils aged 11 or older.
  3. The school will fully comply with the Equality Act 2010, Human Rights Act 1998, KCSIE 2024, and the draft DfE guidance, ensuring that single-sex facilities remain genuinely single sex.
  4. xxxxxx governors recognise their ultimate responsibility for safeguarding all pupils, regardless of external advice that contradicts national law or guidance.

No other outcome is acceptable. Children’s rights to single-sex privacy, dignity, and personal safety cannot be compromised. This is a formal complaint and should be handled via your official complaints procedure. Kindly acknowledge receipt of this letter, confirm it has been escalated appropriately, and provide your written response within a reasonable time frame (often 10–15 working days).

6. Next Steps

Should the school fail to guarantee that male and female children will not be required to share private changing spaces, I will be forced to escalate my concerns, including to governors, the Local Authority’s safeguarding officers, and potentially the Department for Education. It may also become necessary to seek legal remedies if single-sex safeguards continue to be overridden or dismissed.

I wish to emphasise that my overriding concern is the safeguarding and wellbeing of all pupils at xxxxx. I trust the school will recognise the seriousness of this matter and provide the necessary written assurances to restore confidence in its commitment to child protection.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Name]
[Signature if appropriate]
[Contact Information]

FluffyDashhound · 02/03/2025 19:45

I had this debate with someone on FB recently. I was told I was trans phobic but I am not. I feel changing rooms toilets and prisons should be based on sex not gender identity. I was told that it isnt anyone's business what is in someone's pants and that trans people are more likely to be assaulted or attacked than attack someone. And how what is in someone's pants has no impact on me or anyone else therefore we cannot made judgment based on what's in someone's pants. I even shared articles of rapists turning trans to get access to such facilities. To still be told I am transphobic. I am.not and I agree with you it's not fair how us females have to just accept what people.with a penis want. It doesn't help most are autistic therefore just do not seem to understand how others may feel

mamdwdml · 02/03/2025 20:00

ThePeppyMoose · 02/03/2025 19:10

The op managed to lose access to their email account and they asked me to pop a copy of the complaint letter up and ask for any helpful feedback :) Any feedback at all welcomed!

[Your Name and Address]
[Date]

For the attention of:
Xxxxx, Head of School & Designated Safeguarding Lead
Xxxx School
[School Address]

CC: [Any additional recipients—Chair of Governors, LA Safeguarding Team, etc.]

Subject: Formal Complaint Concerning Safeguarding and Mixed-Sex Changing Facilities

Dear xxxxx,

I write to lodge a formal complaint on safeguarding grounds regarding the school’s stance that students’ use of changing rooms be considered on a “case-by-case” basis. This issue arose when I requested an unequivocal guarantee that no male—regardless of any declared “gender identity”—would be permitted to see females in a state of undress (nor vice versa) on school premises or during any school activity. Your recent response confirms that the school maintains a “case-by-case” approach, which I regard as unacceptable, illegal, and a serious failure of safeguarding.

I set out below the key points underpinning my complaint:

1. Legal and Statutory Obligations

  1. Draft DfE Guidance (Gender Questioning Children, 2023) Page 14 of the consultation document is explicit: “Schools must not allow a child, aged 11 years or older, to change or wash in front of a child of the opposite sex, nor should they be subject to a child of the opposite sex changing or washing in front of them.” This principle is not optional. It directly reflects schools’ statutory duty to provide suitable single-sex changing and washing facilities for pupils 11 and over.
  2. Keeping Children Safe in Education (KCSIE) 2024 This is statutory guidance. Schools must have regard to it when carrying out their duties to safeguard children. KCSIE 2024 acknowledges that, in the majority of cases, “girls are more likely to be victims of sexual violence and sexual harassment and more likely it will be perpetrated by boys.” Allowing boys into girls’ private changing areas fundamentally conflicts with the spirit and letter of this guidance.
  3. Equality Act 2010 and Human Rights Act 1998 • Under the Equality Act 2010, schools may lawfully offer single-sex facilities (and generally must do so from age 8 upwards). Any policy allowing males in female facilities likely constitutes indirect discrimination against female pupils on grounds of sex. • It also risks sexual harassment claims, as set out in sections 26 and 85(3) of the Act. • Further, Article 8 of the Human Rights Act (the right to privacy) is engaged when a girl is compelled to share intimate spaces with someone of the opposite sex—consent cannot override that fundamental right, particularly for minors who cannot meaningfully waive safeguarding protections.

2. The Brighton & Hove Trans Inclusion Toolkit is Unlawful

You referenced receiving advice from the Local Authority. However, Brighton & Hove’s Trans Inclusion Toolkit is widely criticised and legally unsound. As set out in Karon Monaghan KC’s Advice (published by Doyle Clayton Solicitors), this toolkit contravenes the Equality Act 2010 in multiple respects, particularly regarding single-sex changing facilities. Nothing in that toolkit can justify breaching statutory safeguarding duties or placing female pupils in a position where they must undress in the presence of males.

Further, Oxfordshire County Council withdrew its own similar toolkit when challenged in court (see Safe Schools Alliance legal action). The same arguments apply here: you cannot override single-sex protections in changing rooms by simply declaring a “case-by-case” approach. Trans-identifying male pupils remain legally male and cannot share these intimate facilities with female pupils—especially minors—without exposing the school to liability, and more importantly, placing girls at risk.

3. Safeguarding Cannot Be Overridden by “Consent” or “Case-by-Case”

No parent, pupil, or external authority can grant permission for a male to see a female in a state of undress (or vice versa) in your school’s facilities. Children cannot consent to these arrangements, and even if they did, they lack the legal capacity for such consent. As the new DfE draft guidance emphasises, social transition is not a “neutral act” and must never conflict with fundamental safeguarding principles.

Permitting a male to be present when girls are changing constitutes an immediate safeguarding threat to both the girls and, potentially, the male pupil. This arrangement sets the stage for possible indecent exposure, voyeurism, or sexual harassment—offences under criminal law. It further undermines girls’ rights to privacy and dignity, as also highlighted in official government guidance (e.g., Fair Play For Women and Safe Schools Alliance analyses).

4. Harmful Impact on All Children, Including Those Who Are Gender Questioning

I am mindful that some pupils experience gender distress or identify as trans. Naturally, they should receive every support and compassion the school can offer. However, that support must not come at the expense of female pupils’ boundaries or legally required single-sex spaces. In addition, encouraging a child who identifies as trans to believe they may lawfully access the opposite sex’s intimate spaces could set them up for confusion, possible conflict with peers, or even legal jeopardy if accusations of voyeurism or indecent exposure arise. Adopting a “case-by-case” approach fails both sets of pupils.

5. My Required Outcome

This complaint seeks a clear, written assurance from xxxxx School that:

  1. Males of any age or identity status will never use female changing or shower facilities, and vice versa.
  2. The “Brighton & Hove Trans Inclusion Toolkit” will not be used to override statutory safeguarding obligations, nor will it be relied upon to justify or encourage mixed-sex changing of pupils aged 11 or older.
  3. The school will fully comply with the Equality Act 2010, Human Rights Act 1998, KCSIE 2024, and the draft DfE guidance, ensuring that single-sex facilities remain genuinely single sex.
  4. xxxxxx governors recognise their ultimate responsibility for safeguarding all pupils, regardless of external advice that contradicts national law or guidance.

No other outcome is acceptable. Children’s rights to single-sex privacy, dignity, and personal safety cannot be compromised. This is a formal complaint and should be handled via your official complaints procedure. Kindly acknowledge receipt of this letter, confirm it has been escalated appropriately, and provide your written response within a reasonable time frame (often 10–15 working days).

6. Next Steps

Should the school fail to guarantee that male and female children will not be required to share private changing spaces, I will be forced to escalate my concerns, including to governors, the Local Authority’s safeguarding officers, and potentially the Department for Education. It may also become necessary to seek legal remedies if single-sex safeguards continue to be overridden or dismissed.

I wish to emphasise that my overriding concern is the safeguarding and wellbeing of all pupils at xxxxx. I trust the school will recognise the seriousness of this matter and provide the necessary written assurances to restore confidence in its commitment to child protection.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Name]
[Signature if appropriate]
[Contact Information]

I think it's great. Good luck!

mamdwdml · 02/03/2025 20:01

If and when you do send it can you update us on outcome / responses?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/03/2025 20:11

That is an excellent letter! It's accurate, referance legislation and guidance and highlights the problems with the toxic trans guidelines being forced on schools. Safeguarding at the heart of it all. Brilliant.

I hope that it forces the school to take a step back from unacceptable transactivism and to recognise their legal and moral responsibilities.

Mischance · 02/03/2025 20:26

Not half bad, that letter ....

thenoisiesttermagant · 02/03/2025 20:29

Great letter.

Under legal obligations, you may want to reference Schools Premises Regulations (2012) (separate toilet and washing facilities for boys and girls over 8, and separate changing facilities over 11 IIRC)

It is very good as it is, but I don't know if you want to include anything about parental rights and responsibilities, which are being undermined by forcing children into mixed sex spaces and not enabling the parents to safeguard their children.

In addition, for some parents there will be a religious requirement that sexes be separate so the school is committing discrimination on the basis of religious belief and discriminating against certain religions. This should not be more important than safeguarding but I suspect for all those deluded teaching staff identifying as good, the fact they're committing religious discrimination might pierce their bubble of thinking they're the good guys to a greater extent than actually caring about girls' safety, more's the pity.

thenoisiesttermagant · 02/03/2025 20:34

Adding in those extras might dilute it though. It's good. Good you've made clear it's a formal complaint (that the school is acting illegally).

You might want to underline the safeguarding all pupils - this is the responsibility of schools and Governors. They can't only focus on the wants/ needs of a minority of pupils to the detriment of all the others.

You could also send a copy of the letter to Ofsted. My understanding once the formal complaints process within the school has completed, if you're not happy you can complain to Ofsted, so giving them a copy of the letter at this stage and cc'ing throughout this process may be useful. They were captured in the past but I don't think they are any more (hopefully others will be along to confirm this), and safeguarding is extremely important to them in school inspections.

SinnerBoy · 02/03/2025 20:41

ThePeppyMoose · Today 19:10

The op managed to lose access to their email account and they asked me to pop a copy of the complaint letter up and ask for any helpful feedback :) Any feedback at all welcomed!

Well, tell her it's an excellent composition. It's forthright and pulls no punches, it's very clear and demands a response.

Helleofabore · 02/03/2025 22:02

I look forward to seeing the reply!

great letter OP.

thenoisiesttermagant · 02/03/2025 23:13

SinnerBoy · 02/03/2025 20:41

ThePeppyMoose · Today 19:10

The op managed to lose access to their email account and they asked me to pop a copy of the complaint letter up and ask for any helpful feedback :) Any feedback at all welcomed!

Well, tell her it's an excellent composition. It's forthright and pulls no punches, it's very clear and demands a response.

The OP is the Dad. I have to say I was so heartened to see him post here.

When I first came to this fight I thought 'once the Dads of daughters find out, sanity will resume' but unfortunately far too few have spoken up. It's wonderful to see a man of principle step forward - his daughter is very fortunate to have him fighting for her rights, safety, dignity and privacy.