Imane Khelif not eligible to compete in boxing world championships 2025

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https://boxingnewsonline.net/iba-confirms-stance-on-imane-khelif-ahead-of-womens-boxing-world-championships/

The IBA is sticking with its rules and Khelif failed its 'gender eligibility tests'. The writer of the article shows remarkably little concern with saying what a 'gender eligibility test' involves and that it shows Khelif is male.

Why would anyone outsource their moral compass to someone else? Whether in agreement or opposition?

Don't you have a brain and conscience of your own?

yes. It ignores that people on some places of the internet actually read and understand the issues with some depth, individually or collectively.

And those people are the sort too that seek original sources and are open to seeing well evidenced arguments.

On this matter yes I agree with Trump if it means preventing men punching women as an Olympic sport.
What has gone wrong with feminism is idiots who can't understand that we can agree with people about 1 thing whilst simultaneously abhorring them as a person. Basically you need to learn the saying of an enemy of my enemy is my friend.

A cliched example, I know, but Hitler was a vegetarian. Is it wrong to be vegetarian because Hitler was an evil man?

This statement ignores the fact that other people might do exactly the same thing, plus have different skill sets than you.

The IOC had a press conference about Khelif and Lin during the Olympics where they stated this wasn't a DSD issue. They then issued a correction to say that there was an error and they should have said it wasn't a trans issue.

If Khelif and Lin don't have a DSD then the IOC would not have needed to correct their press conference statement

No it doesn't ignore anything like that.

In fact, I am sure I am not alone, I would welcome posters coming along and posting links and well evidenced arguments here and all over the internet.

The reason for all the mockery that the IOC is facing is that its eligibility criteria are totally opaque. They've not said anything clear at all. Lots of very evasive language, dodging, and weaving. Whereas most of the rest of the sporting world has moved on from this kind of amateurishness/has recognised that clear criteria are needed, e.g. World Athletics' criteria document (see below) runs to pages and pages, and is very comprehensive. The IOC won't even outright say that its criteria are different to WA's, we're just obliged to infer that they probably are from the silence/lack of transparency. The IOC well knows that all of this fuss would go away overnight if they produced some test results showing that IK was 'female' by a measure similar to that used by WA. The fact that it can't or won't do this leads the informed public to the inevitable conclusion that IK would not pass a similar test to the one used by WA. It's almost impossible to draw any other conclusions.

World Athletics: Eligibility Regulations for the Female Classification

Well actually, as someone pointed out on Twitter yesterday, their eligibility criteria is pretty clear.

An 'F' on a passport. That's it. That's all it takes to be eligible for female competition.

So actually, all of this discussion and obfuscation about the IBA and the Russians and the tests and the appeals is totally irrelevant. The IOC simple do not care about any of that.

Multiple, verified tests corroborated by the athletes themselves, demonstrating maleness would not matter to IOC criteria. The 'F' is enough for them.

What they're desperately trying to do is distract from that fact.

yep

Lá Fhéile Pádraig Sona Duit. ☘ to all xx

….Surely you dont agree with Trump!!!! Something has gone badly wrong if so called feminists are agreeing with a misogynist/rapist…

You have that the wrong way around. It’s Trump that agrees with us.

HTH

You have that the wrong way around. It’s Trump that agrees with us.

Exactly. The shocking thing is not that Trump thinks women deserve single sex, fair sporting opportunities.

The shocking thing is that the Democrats don't believe this.

Can you imagine the great discussions we could have and the depth of knowledge we could have if people who disagreed with us posted robustly evidenced arguments? or at least logically sound ones?

Instead, we have people like Bach shouting, 'Look over there, did I see a unicorn?' It is distraction. Russians and bots are sparple.

Id you are looking to sow division then him looking like a fool is a reasonable outcome and falsity would be considered more than acceptable if it achieves your aims.

This is true.

It defies belief that the IOC would go down this path. But as you say, Bach has been keen to ignore the needs of female athletes and to discredit them, which as you say, successfully sows division. We only have to look at how the women who protested in the ring were threatened to stop protesting to see that.

Apologies if it was this thread I got it from. With all this talk from Bach of "it's the Russians" (definitely a deflection as per TheKeatingFive's comment above), it's worth the Guardian remembering that they reported that Bach has his own connections there...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jul/25/rio-olympics-russia-drugs-vladimir-putin-ioc

Well isn't that interesting! A call-back to the time when the Graun did some actual journalism. Odd that they seem to have forgotten lately what they once knew about Bach.

But that isn’t just what Trump is saying is

Fucking hell

This thread is about men in women's Olympic sports. That men shouldn't be in women's sports is agreed by people from across the political spectrum. Martina Navratilova is a sporting superstar, prominent Democrat and lesbian. I am more closely aligned to her views than Donald Trump's but on this particular issue Trump agrees with us that men shouldn't be in women's sports. Attempting to hide the truth - that men in women's sport is wrong - by accusing gender critical feminists of being Trump-adjacent is foolish misdirection. Perhaps try thinking for yourself rather than outsourcing your beliefs uncritically to 'the left'.

This sentence appears to be unfinished. Can you try again so that I can understand what you are trying to write?

Well look at that, Bonfire!

Yeah. I probably would say that if I saw a unicorn to be honest.

Of course he does. He’s a sporting federation executive of many years. (The article you quote is from 2016, BTW.) We are speaking specifically about Russian infiltration and control of the IBA and other boxing federations, plus the Russian influence on the Khelif narrative in social media particularly.

There was no “Russian influence on the Khelif narrative”. There were people who believed in the facts and reality of sex chromosome testing. And there were people who didn’t.