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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Neil Gaiman Accused Of Sexual Assault Pt III

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hihelenhi · 28/01/2025 14:27

A continuation of threads 1 & 2 now that things have moved on considerably, what with further episodes on the Tortoise podcast and the Vulture Article which blew the story out further into the mainstream

Previous Threads:

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5112128-neil-gaiman-accused-of-sexual-assault

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5150957-neil-gaiman-accused-of-sexual-assault-pt-ii

Podcasts & Vulture Article:
Tortoise:https://www.tortoisemedia.com/listen/master-the-allegations-against-neil-gaiman

Am I Broken? https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/s4-ep2-claire-i-ignored-it-and-i-believed-him-because/id1491575384?i=1000663604978

Vulture Article (archive): https://archive.is/HJtxW

Neil Gaiman accused of sexual assault | Mumsnet

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sandman-writer-neil-gaiman-denies-142813982.html Story still unfolding in the news

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5112128-neil-gaiman-accused-of-sexual-assault

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Maplebean · 03/02/2025 22:00

Hermyknee · 03/02/2025 21:52

For all of the talk on this, when you read the legal document it makes it very real and very sickening. I managed 3 pages before I decided I couldn’t read anymore. Scarlett is a very brave woman.

It really is completely sickening. I cannot believe I idolised this man throughout my 20s. The level and nature of his depravity shocks me to my core and no matter how many times I read the facts I still feel shocked.

How awful for Scarlett.

Iamnotalemming · 03/02/2025 22:14

Bloody hell. All power to Scarlett. She is a brave woman.

Dervel · 04/02/2025 01:06

YourAmplePlumPoster · 03/02/2025 18:59

My friend degrades herself, gives him money. He doesn't talk to her for weeks on end, then turns up and demands money for "weed." It's horrible and I no longer want to see or hear her degrading herself for this man.

I know how that feels because I’ve been there too. I implore you to not let it make you colder. It seems logical to think if only these women went nowhere near abusers this wouldn’t happen, but the cause and effect chain is a lot more complex than it first appears.

Let’s turn this on its head with regards to Gaiman because these brave women DID choose to speak up it’s now pretty public knowledge what he’s about and capable of. This WILL mean some women will steer clear now, and that’s less suffering in the world.

Thats why in conversations such as these it’s so incredibly important to place the blame squarely where it belongs: On the perpetrators. What we need is a wider cultural voice that says this treatment is not right. That people being sat alone feeling isolated and alone in shame and trauma, and trust me they will be reading posts and articles like we are participating in right now are met with empathy a reinforcement that what happened is not right.

Consider this you say your friend was involved with some kind of musician imagine if in years time his treatment of women becomes public knowledge. Do you want her to met by arguments of people arguing the toss over cancel culture and postponed/dropped gigs. Or would you prefer her to be met by unified voices saying “hey this shit ain’t right” and a sense that if she said anything she would be believed?

Anyway if you need someone to talk to about your friend please feel free to dm me. I’d be more than willing to listen.

bombastix · 04/02/2025 09:01

This is a disgusting story and credible. His partner is one of those women who would presumably rather have all the nice elements of being his partner and port out all the troublesome stuff which is sexually abusive to someone younger and more easily manipulated. The fact that some are "assistants" with no proper paid employment contract is also suggestive.

DeanElderberry · 04/02/2025 11:59

The reports make it clear that AP was at least sometimes complicit in supplying young women to NG. The recent reports about Bianca Censori reminded me of the time AP slipped off her coat and sang naked in a night club - oh so funny, socking it to the Daily Mail, aren't we all sophisticated. But it made me uneasy, even back then.

Women with high profile partners who add to their own social status but are abusive have been know to throw others, sometimes including their own children, at their abusers so that they can keep their status without having to play along with the sexual whims of bad men.

JazzyJelly · 04/02/2025 12:22

Iamnotalemming · 04/02/2025 11:42

Also in the Guardian.

Shoddy reporting though - says accusations reported in NY article but no mention of Tortoise podcast.

Can't possibly listen to the nasty TERFs, or Boris Johnson's sister.

Iamnotalemming · 04/02/2025 12:34

JazzyJelly · 04/02/2025 12:22

Can't possibly listen to the nasty TERFs, or Boris Johnson's sister.

My thoughts exactly. It's almost like they don't want to draw attention to the fact that they didn't report on the accusations for all those months...

bombastix · 04/02/2025 13:01

DeanElderberry · 04/02/2025 11:59

The reports make it clear that AP was at least sometimes complicit in supplying young women to NG. The recent reports about Bianca Censori reminded me of the time AP slipped off her coat and sang naked in a night club - oh so funny, socking it to the Daily Mail, aren't we all sophisticated. But it made me uneasy, even back then.

Women with high profile partners who add to their own social status but are abusive have been know to throw others, sometimes including their own children, at their abusers so that they can keep their status without having to play along with the sexual whims of bad men.

This. This woman is complicit.

She seems to be an effective pimp for her disgusting husband. Like Maxwell and Epstein.

Such women are useful to abusive men. They get something out of these arrangements. More scrutiny needs to be made of women who have relationships with sexually abusive men. They are not always victims

DeanElderberry · 04/02/2025 13:22

Complicit but also abused. Victim and facilitator.

And what was role of the rest of us, laughing along with the 'Dear Daily Mail' performance, or all the publishers of pictures of Bianca Censori?

Manderleyagain · 04/02/2025 20:15

It was a headline on the radio 4 news.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 05/02/2025 02:19

bombastix · 04/02/2025 13:01

This. This woman is complicit.

She seems to be an effective pimp for her disgusting husband. Like Maxwell and Epstein.

Such women are useful to abusive men. They get something out of these arrangements. More scrutiny needs to be made of women who have relationships with sexually abusive men. They are not always victims

This. This woman is complicit.

She seems to be an effective pimp for her disgusting husband. Like Maxwell and Epstein.

And De Beauvoir and Sartre.

JazzyJelly · 05/02/2025 15:51

I'd be pretty pissed off if I'd built a career in entertainment and the mainstream media had a story explaining who I was, especially in the context of 'nonce's sex trafficking ex-wife'.

Though to be fair I'd never heard of her before this. And Neil Gaiman only because his name was on Good Omens and I've read everything Terry Pratchett ever wrote.

www.msn.com/en-us/crime/general/who-is-amanda-palmer-musician-accused-of-human-trafficking-alongside-ex-neil-gaiman/ar-AA1yoQPj

teawamutu · 05/02/2025 23:09

JazzyJelly · 05/02/2025 15:51

I'd be pretty pissed off if I'd built a career in entertainment and the mainstream media had a story explaining who I was, especially in the context of 'nonce's sex trafficking ex-wife'.

Though to be fair I'd never heard of her before this. And Neil Gaiman only because his name was on Good Omens and I've read everything Terry Pratchett ever wrote.

www.msn.com/en-us/crime/general/who-is-amanda-palmer-musician-accused-of-human-trafficking-alongside-ex-neil-gaiman/ar-AA1yoQPj

Couldn't happen to a more deserving person.

Also hoping NG spends the rest of his miserable life haunted by the withdrawal of the fame and adulation he so craved. Assuming he never sees the inside of a cell, that is.

ColourByNumbers88 · 06/02/2025 14:49

@teawamutu completely agree. It must be killing him not to be proactive online. He's so rich he could easily pay off the complaints, but cutting off his online activity is something else.

JazzyJelly · 06/02/2025 15:31

I hope so! He was always such a nasty little creep on Tumblr. People (mostly young women) would send him fawning, adoring asks and he would answer with such contempt.

He also posted those creepy cartoons by that trans-identified bloke who draws furry porn of actual photos of people's babies (though to be fair, I only saw him post the cartoons of the 'insert self' little boy telling the silly women and girls they have no rights). Assigned male, I think. That's when I figured he was a wrong'un.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/02/2025 17:53

Ugh I didn't realise that. Grim.

bombastix · 06/02/2025 18:32

Me neither. I expect he enjoyed all the constant plaudits he got for fashioning his abusive behaviour into books. I wonder how many of those will survive as the classics they were once deemed to be

ColourByNumbers88 · 08/02/2025 10:33

Latest BBC Neil Gaiman's ex-wife denies trafficking allegations www.bbc.com/news/articles/c87d283ld9do

crumpet · 08/02/2025 12:00

Terry Pratchett always seemed to be a decent chap - I hope he knew nothing of this, and I did become slightly wary of Gaiman’s regular “I was Terry’s very best friend and am the custodian of his memory” hanging onto his coattails. As if he was using TP’s legacy for his own gain.

lastminutetrip · 25/02/2025 00:16

This blog post may well have been posted before but this is a very interesting take on Neil’s family history.

(His father headed the UK branch of the church of Scientology)

www.mikerindersblog.org/neil-gaimans-scientology-suicide-story/

mzdemeanour · 05/03/2025 17:37

Gaiman says allegations are a sham - BBC link ...

Neil Gaiman says nanny's allegations are 'a sham' www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y07w7nyxzo

JazzyJelly · 05/03/2025 18:35

mzdemeanour · 05/03/2025 17:37

Gaiman says allegations are a sham - BBC link ...

Neil Gaiman says nanny's allegations are 'a sham' www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y07w7nyxzo

Of course he does 🙄