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Doctor Who- this might be the last straw even for me.

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TinselAngel · 27/01/2025 14:02

For fucks sake Confused

Juno Dawson as a writer.

Doctor Who- this might be the last straw even for me.
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MermaidEyes · 27/01/2025 16:25

JeremiahBullfrog · 27/01/2025 16:12

See here if you don't know about the pornographic fantasies Dawson markets at twelve-year-olds.

Ugh. Mallory Towers it ain't 🙄

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 27/01/2025 16:29

Whomanity · 27/01/2025 15:09

I’m a lifelong Dr Who fan. But without any other consideration I would be dismayed at this instagram post a few hours ago from any script writer:

A WRITER wrote that?

Ffs.

Glad I gave up on it years ago.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 27/01/2025 16:43

JeremiahBullfrog · 27/01/2025 16:12

See here if you don't know about the pornographic fantasies Dawson markets at twelve-year-olds.

Just read the review, thanks.

Even just reading a few choice passages in the review has left me literally nauseous (and I've read my fair share of explicit erotic literature in my time). How dare schools push this porn addled shite onto kids, as though this is all normal behaviour? 🤢🤬

3peassuit · 27/01/2025 16:45

I’ve watched since William Hartnell. I’m out.

TicketyBoo11 · 27/01/2025 16:53

No one will watch it.

The best days are gone I’m afraid. PC madness and poor writing, which seems set to continue with this latest collection of no-marks.

Back to iplayer for the pre-Capaldi good stuff. I know some people loved Matt Smith but not me..😂

roibustea · 27/01/2025 16:55

Gave up when Tennant took over, I always found him really creepy. Turns out I've got pretty good instincts.

Homeschoolin · 27/01/2025 16:59

TinselAngel · 27/01/2025 15:48

I'm also a lifelong Doctor Who, and long term RTD fan. I was really pleased when I heard he was coming back. I've no objection to there being trans characters per se, trans people do after all "exist", as we're often reminded. I could cope with the drag artist (although if I were one I'd be asking why they only get to play villains), it's the sheer relentless unrealisticness of Donna's "daughter" (absolutely everybody stopping in their tracks to exclaim how beautiful he is) I can't forgive and it feels like the whole thing has been "queered". As if RTD is so frightened of being cancelled over Barrowman etc he's gone way overboard the other way.

Watched an episode the other day (catching up) where Rose was complaining that they (at the security HQ place) never let her do anything good. She then took Ruby's hand and they both skipped off together. I mean, who wouldn't take them seriously?!

I think Russell T Davies has definitely lost his strength as a writer. We try not to look at who has written it now in the intro and then guess whether it is RTD or the other one. You can always tell, basically if it's shit it's RTD writing.

OrangeCrusher · 27/01/2025 17:07

To be fair to Jodie Whittaker, her first series is bloody dreadful but after that I think it really picks up. I think she suffered in a similar way to Peter Capaldi in that they had the potential to be great but the writers had lost their minds and talent.

Flipflopandflywomenarentxy · 27/01/2025 17:09

NC for controversial Dr Who opinions...

I rewatched all the reboot last year after petering out with Capaldi first time round.

The David Tennant episodes haven't stood the test of time. Great stories and one or two stone cold classics, but DT becomes too messianic, the Rose relationship is icky and post Brexit the WW2 stuff doesn't land well. Very much of its time. Donna is much more interesting than the doctor.

Matt Smith great of course, right mixture of hero, maniac and morose. Capaldi also good doctor with good plots and nice to have a spiky doctor without sexual tension. Still a dolly bird assistant though, because we can imagine a man who flies through time and space in a box that's bigger inside than out but we can't imagine a woman who doesn't wear mascara. She can be clever too, but the mascara is non negotiable.

I liked Jodie Whittaker's era. It was cringe at times but DW is always cringe about something and I liked the dynamic of the different charcters.

Haven't seen much Ncuti Gatwa yet but I've enjoyed the ones I've seen. I get really split by the trans characters because in general I like openness, blurred gender presentation and acceptance of difference so the emotional hits work for me, but intellectually I always know it's such a one sided ideology and they always say something so clunky usually about women being ridiculous to think they exist outside a man's projection of womanhood that the manipulation shows its ugly side and the whole thing topples over.

Plus of course, every time a woman character is played by a trans woman it may be great for trans visibility but it's one more female face off the screen and one more female voice out of culture and one less opportunity for a female actor.

ThreeWordHarpy · 27/01/2025 17:12

In the Capaldi era I would have loved a late night episode where he channeled Malcolm Tucker with the “wow it is bigger on the inside” reaction to the TARDIS. A bad tempered “Come the fuck in or fuck the fuck off” Grin.

in fact Malcolm Tucker as the Doctor would have been glorious. Paging Armando Iannuci, because that’s a reboot I would watch.

Datun · 27/01/2025 17:31

JeremiahBullfrog · 27/01/2025 16:12

See here if you don't know about the pornographic fantasies Dawson markets at twelve-year-olds.

Ugh. I was going to copy and paste some of that shit, but there's too much of it.

That is what Dawson, Dawson's publishers, and schools everywhere
think is suitable for 12-year-olds.

And now presumably Disney.

fuck it, this is the last paragraph...

let them use your body and get fucked both ends like a little piggy,” and “You’re a fucking cum slut. Worthless tranny whore”

12-year-olds

Pudmyboy · 27/01/2025 17:32

ThreeWordHarpy · 27/01/2025 15:30

Old enough to remember the Pertwee doctor although Tom Baker is “my” doctor. Lost me at McCoy. Enormously enjoyed the reboot, all the way through to Matt Smith who I thought did a great job at playing an old soul in a young body. It lost me at Peter Capaldi era, which was a disappointment as I love Peter Capaldi. I tried again with Jodie Whittaker as again I like her as an actor and wanted a woman to be a great doctor but lasted about four episodes. I enjoyed the Donna episodes but I watched the first Ncuti Gatwa episode, went WTAF (a musical section?!) and haven’t watched since.

The production seems to keep going for “bigger is better”, whereas IMHO all the better Who storylines are about dealing with the smaller scale individual, relatable, scary things whether you’re a child or adult. Like Blink or the Empty Child, or seeing Cybermen walking down a British street.

i think RTD has run out of story ideas (some of his early reboot ones were excellent) and the show needs a rest now.

Crikey you have written exactly what I would like to say, thank you!

Hermyknee · 27/01/2025 17:33

Malcolm Tucker as the Doctor would be glorious but possibly apocalyptic.

DerekFaker · 27/01/2025 17:34

They sacked Gareth Roberts for 'transphobia', but Dawnson's homophobia and misogyny is a-ok with the BBC!

TempestTost · 27/01/2025 18:01

TicketyBoo11 · 27/01/2025 16:53

No one will watch it.

The best days are gone I’m afraid. PC madness and poor writing, which seems set to continue with this latest collection of no-marks.

Back to iplayer for the pre-Capaldi good stuff. I know some people loved Matt Smith but not me..😂

I think Matt Smith was good, and there were some good scripts, but it was when things started to go really wrong. I was a regular watcher, but more and more the stories were confusing. And it was all very "oh it's the end of all space and time again."

Personally I think they made a big mistake making the doctor a romantic/sexual character, at all, back with Rose and Tennant's doctor. And the doctors wife was just an awful addition.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 27/01/2025 18:06

JeremiahBullfrog · 27/01/2025 16:12

See here if you don't know about the pornographic fantasies Dawson markets at twelve-year-olds.

This is sickening. Drug-addled sex for 12-year-old girls? It’s not Wonderland but Porn-addicted male fantasy land. I know they‘re exposed to this shit on the internet but why are schools colluding?

Also, it makes me sad how the Queer movement force-teams homosexuality with all the sexist crap of transgenderism, pornography, sex fetishism and exploitation etc. That’s nothing to do with lesbians, and plenty of gay men object to it too. Now Pride has been taken over by men in fetish gear, and Juno Dawson is writing for Dr Who.

We don’t need this trash.

Datun · 27/01/2025 18:07

DerekFaker · 27/01/2025 17:34

They sacked Gareth Roberts for 'transphobia', but Dawnson's homophobia and misogyny is a-ok with the BBC!

Quite

"A LOT OF GAY MEN AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE BECAUSE THEY COULDN’T BE WOMEN”

JUNO DAWSON

honestly, I'm actually quite shocked that Dawson is regarded as credible. Talk about not realising the Zeitgeist has come and really, really bloody gone

Waitwhat23 · 27/01/2025 18:07

roibustea · 27/01/2025 16:55

Gave up when Tennant took over, I always found him really creepy. Turns out I've got pretty good instincts.

Agreed. I've also always found Brooker's review of him as Dr Who to be amusing - the 'oh, it's you!' is very on the nose -

www.theguardian.com/media/2006/jul/08/tvandradio.broadcasting

GrammarTeacher · 27/01/2025 18:14

Love Dr Who. Always have. Continue to do so. Christmas special was great. Loved Ncuti Gatwa was glorious in The Importance of Being Earnest too.

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2025 18:15

WellsAndThistles · 27/01/2025 14:09

I genuinely don't know anyone in the UK who still watches it.

Ruined it for me once they started with a female Dr.

That's when it lost me! Dr Who is male, every regeneration had been male. Having a female Doctor made no sense but I was prepared to give it a go. God it was dire! I stopped watching then and considering the path they took after that I'm glad I stopped watching.

WaterThyme · 27/01/2025 18:17

I watched from the beginning. Patrick Troughton was my favourite doctor - impish and crusty. It’s sad they lost so many of his episodes.

I can’t stand the trans stuff is being forced in for no reason. Dawson may be the last straw for me.

AsTreesWalking · 27/01/2025 18:19

JeremiahBullfrog · 27/01/2025 16:12

See here if you don't know about the pornographic fantasies Dawson markets at twelve-year-olds.

Just to say - this secondary school Librarian doesn't stock JD's books. And I have never been asked for them. Not once.

Datun · 27/01/2025 18:37

AsTreesWalking · 27/01/2025 18:19

Just to say - this secondary school Librarian doesn't stock JD's books. And I have never been asked for them. Not once.

Good to know. I'm glad there is still some integrity left. Not to mention safeguarding.

I'm just shocked that any school, any school at all, would stock this pornographic middle-aged men's weird fantasy. For bloody kids!!

Hermyknee · 27/01/2025 18:42

Why don’t the BBC do due diligence on this? I watched Michael Sheen on the Big Show at the weekend and Russell T Davis was in his phone book (it’s the game where Michael Macintyre writes a dodgy message on a celebs phone and ‘sends to all’). RTD sent a witty message back. So many people connected to lots of different projects that must be talking about Gaiman and the cancellation of Good Omens. Everyone must be heightened to anything that is scandalous with writers surely?

There are soooo many writers out there who would be a better choice and haven’t written such prose as ‘You’re a fucking cum slut. Worthless tranny whore’ for a children’s book. And that message on social media isn’t promising either. IN YOUR FACE.

I don’t think it’s a win for fans after looking at the poor quality of the writing on display. It’s a big headache for the BBC.

FaithFables · 27/01/2025 18:53

I stopped watching after Matt Smith left. It's been crap ever since.