Doctor Who- this might be the last straw even for me.

[TinselAngel]

For fucks sake

Juno Dawson as a writer.

I thought the trans Rose character was done well. Their experience of transitioning, the fact their transition status was not glossed over and was central to the character. I didn't see any pretending they're just like any other woman. Yes the whole they're so beautiful was a bit tedious but to be fair they are beautiful, albeit feminine rather than female beauty.

The confusion of the mum as to how to speak to Rose etc was real. I thought it was a human way to present the character.

I don't think TWAW at all btw.

Sadly my son is still fascinated. Keep hoping he will move over to something else. I gave up after the Jodie as I was getting fed up with the lectures in a show that should just be escapism.

But he was quite clearly a grown man. Wasn’t he meant to be a teenager? They could have at least used an actor that looked like a teenager. Plus you were metaphorically battered by it. No one would have called him beautiful if they honestly thought him a woman.

The dc and dh love doctor who, well they did until the end of capaldi. They tried to give the woman and the latest bloke a go but said it was trash.

I joined in and watched when the doctor was ancient scholar-hot (Tennant, Matt Smith and Capaldi) but wasn't interested in the others.

If the next doctor ends up being a attractive geek again I might convince them all to give it another go 🤣

Davros can't be seen in his Dalek prosthetic because it's a wheelchair and the audience might equate wheelchair users with evil.
Davis lost me there.
I'm watching out of habit but it really is shit.
I want a Doctor who practically vibrates with rage rage when the 'big bad' goes too far or the companion is in peril.
I want philosophical monologues about choices made or not made.
I don't want the woke agenda thrust down my throat or musical numbers.
How is The Doctor a hero to everyone now? You know, like people who are good or a bit scared or really bloody terrified ?
Where's The Doctor who sweeps in and sorts everything out and leaves everyone feeling relieved or happy?
The character ( my reading) now only helps in situations that where The Queer are in peril and the bad guys are the ones who are on The Wrong Side of History.
Disney won't renew. They've dropped two animated series because they push the Queer agenda.
Not much merchandise available because it's not going to sell.
Remember the re-boot and we had the sonics and the remote controlled daleks? Cyber heads that altered your voice? TARDIS wardrobe/ Wendy house affairs?
Two of my DD's Godparents are gay. My two oldest and dearest friends who I met at a local Doctor Who group just after the show was cancelled. They think it's shit too.
The character is all about being kind now or turning a blind eye to the 'silliness' of characters that ,as far as child protection training is concerned, would be a red flag.
You are a badddie in Doctor Who because the things you do are the wrong moral and/or ethical choices NOT because you don't want a cock in a frock in your female space.
The Doctor is supposed to protect the weak and vulnerable, the oppressed,scared and lonely. Not anyone who's got the power of current legislation on their side.
Fuck it. If he appears in my back garden asking for help he can piss off. I'll let him sing the cybermen to death.

I'm old enough to remember the B&W William Hartnell as the first Dr Who. Yes it's gone downhill and I agree with everyone who was dissapointed with the first female Dr. But then I've not got over Captain Janeway and the crinolines...

Anyway, here's a brilliant song to Julie and RTD from the cast at the time: NSFW, and it's got Barrowman in it. Credit also to Victoria Wood who wrote the original inspo.

Davros can't be seen in his Dalek prosthetic because it's a wheelchair and the audience might equate wheelchair users with evil.

Wasn’t there something similar about why the new doctor wasn’t wearing Jodie’s clothes after regenerating? Because trans-something?

Er, not sure what's going on. I can watch the vid if I click on 'Watch on Youtube'. (I've always been amazed that the BBC or someone's lawyers hasn't taken it down.)

Davros can't be seen in his Dalek prosthetic because it's a wheelchair and the audience might equate wheelchair users with evil.

Why can't wheel chair users be just as evil as anybody? Surely it would only be a problem if the majority of villains used wheelchairs?

OMG 🤮

This was me too. I have watched through good and bad, remained loyal. But basically being told to fuck off did for me. I have been watching since the start, DW was Saturday evening for me. I was looking forward to seeing Anita Dobson as Mrs Flood, another water name I though, she is going to be important. No idea what happened as I was told DW was not for the likes of me.

@FlippinFumin I think RTD had cynically used the previous story arcs as a way of encouraging fans to watch.
Mrs. Flood( nod to River) . Haven't you seen a TARDIS before? Or whatever she said .

Oooo something's going to be revealed!

Another rubbish character.

I've been struggling with it since RTD left. I hoped it would pick up when he came back, but I don't like the direction it's gone in. Ncuti Gatwa is very impressive and compelling, but I mostly don't like the stories - Donna's trans child, the drag queen and now this bloke with some very questionable attitudes to women.

This may be the year I finally give up on it.

Tennant was my favourite Doctor, and Tate my favourite companion. Although I knew about his support for trans children, the revelation of his contempt for people who support women's sex-based rights was... disappointing, shall we say. It's taken the shine off his episodes, and I haven't watched any since.

Will all the dialogue be three letters long? 🙄

Jo Martin was criminally underused, there was so much potential for her doctor.

I’m not sure if anyone else listens to the Dr Who audiobooks made by Big Finish but they’ve brought her in to create her own stories. The also do a series for River Song and Missy too which are really worth a listen. I love the fact that they use the same cast from the tv show and have found amazing replacements for the actors who have died.

I go back to Tom Baker when I was a kid. And I still love the classic stories. I used to have a nearly complete collection of the old Target paperbacks from when you couldn't watch old stories on video.

For all the cheapness it was a masterclass in storytelling. I believe that Robert Holmes would be a world famous screenwriter today if he'd written movies instead of genre TV.

Where the revival lost its way gets complicated for me. Maybe a run of bad stories or bad casting choices couldn't be helped. But I'm not sure the solution to that is to throw Disney money at the show and make it look more expensive. And I definitely don't believe bringing back RTD was a good idea. He's much older, much more arrogant and his flaws are more obvious.

I don't, on principle, mind Ncuti as an actor. He's sexy, charismatic and full of energy. But I'd add that (a) casting actors that RTD fancies isn't always a good idea, (b) Ncuti has got range, he needs to show more of that and less ham and cheese, and (c) don't let the guy do interviews where he bangs on about politics. All he needs to do is say "Please watch my show, I hope you find it entertaining."

I think DW really needs a hiatus. The Disney money running out may bring that soon enough.

He could be "non-binary" if they wanted but we might suspect they had a political agenda, if it was introduced today.

For the vast majority of Who, all the evidence was that time lords remained the same sex when regenerating, which is surely as reasonable a bit of writing as any other, given that it's made up.

They only introduced the idea that they regenerated across sex when it became important to them to signal that they believed that sex is mutable and changeable. And that's not because they believe it is the case with Time Lords - it's because they believe it's the case with people.

They started with other characters to introduce the idea, but the moment they showed a cross-sex Time Lord regeneration it was clear they intended to have the doctor regenerate into a woman (along with other the other identity characteristics they think are important.)

It reminds me a little of the Christian heresy which said that Jesus had no sex, which I suppose goes along with the increasing sense of the Doctor as some kind of messiah figure.

But people who don't like it aren't necessarily being sexists, they may just not like the writers using a show they loved to push their own political stupid hobby horses.

I loved that, thank you. It's a shame it's tainted with subsequent statements and knowledge.

Below is an extract of Juno Dawson's age inappropriate and sexually explicit book aimed at kids of 13+, although the WRN found libraries often include it in sections for younger children.

Yep.

Aimed at children for whom it's illegal for at least three years

Precisely. Some episodes made the moralising of Aesop's Fables seem subtle by comparison!

If I could regenerate and visit different planets, particularly Earth as I had taken the form of an Earthling, I would go male.
There’s physical advantages but also more social advantages on Earth being male. As a female form there would be potential for harassment and more effort proving yourself in leadership around men. And you couldn’t get anything done in certain countries.

You have GOT to be joking.

I'm confused how that was ok'd for kids. Am I in some parallel universe and there is no such thing as safeguarding anymore?

This is horrific. I am revolted by what Juno Dawson has written "for 12-year-olds" in this horrible story, which is available in schools.