Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

[JessaWoo]

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

I'm aware you've been questioned alot on this thread @Princessconsuelabananahammock9 so happy if you're ready to leave it.
But I wonder if your thoughts about trans medical and surgical care have changed with the child transition scandal?
My feeling is that trans surgical and endocinological treatments have always, at least since the 1930s, been driven by hubris, by clinicians asking "can we do this?" rather than "should we do this?" Curiosity over how far modern medicine could effect feminising changes on a male person's body (or vice versa) rather than desire to treat a carefully diagnosed pathology. The extension of this into experimental treatments for children is, IMO, of a piece with the adult trans medicine that preceded it.
I was struck, earlier in the thread, by the calm way you acknowledge that your partner's trans related treatments will shorten his life.
I'm a nurse and I find it hard being part of a healthcare system that dispenses these life-shortening treatments for the sake of aesthetic outcomes. If this EO, by emboldening people to speak more freely, leads to changes in standard trans care, as more and more clinicians refused to be involved with life shortening treatments, how would you feel about that?

Oh good grief. Went way over your head, that, didn't it, Jessa?

No. You sit down and "have a cup of tea" instead of patronising me and the other women here, who are WAY more well-informed than you are.

That is exactly what you're supporting. That is the whole fucking point.

How would you know that quite a lot of other people have avoided the Trump threads and have just been flicking through them?

From looking at who is posting in them.

@Helleofabore

*How would you know that quite a lot of other people have avoided the Trump threads and have just been flicking through them?

From looking at who is posting in them.*

You know who's just flicking through a thread by looking at it? That's quite skilful. And coincidentally, few of these avoidant posters are from FWR?

@hihelenhi

Oh good grief. Went way over your head, that, didn't it, Jessa?

No. You sit down and "have a cup of tea" instead of patronising me and the other women here, who are WAY more well-informed than you are.

That is exactly what you're supporting. That is the whole fucking point.

Eh - no, it didn't. You're assuming you're more informed, and it's this assumption that lets you down.

I think in 5 years things will be back to how they once were..

Possibly not. This is a pretty big switch

Honestly, I had no clue they would shorten his life and was stunned to find out when he told me.

Stunned, panicked. I have never felt more loved and supported in my life and the idea of losing him freaks me out. I've never had that feeling before.

I don't believe children should have any hormone intervention. I also believe parents who push for hormones need their own therapy.

I know a few parents whose identity is extremely wrapped up in their kids being " trans ". I find this very disturbing.

Medical intervention as adults I support. BUT I believe they need a lot of therapy intervention prior to in order to determine if this is the best course of action.

My partner lived as a butch lesbian for years. He transitioned at 30. For him it changed his life for the better. He would say it saved his life and I have no reason not to believe him.

That said I met him years later. He had long lived as a man, looked like a man, it's honestly jarring to see old photos of him.

I only know him as a trans man. We tell people I found him in the discount section of tinder with a sign that said " some assembly required." Lol

I don't know all the answers but for now I believe it's the best scenario for those who experience genuine distress from gender dysmorphia.

But because of the health implications I believe it should be a last option, but an option none the less.

I think if someone is prepared to go through all the therapy, paperwork, hormones, surgeries, then they likely have given this a lot of thought and consideration.

I believe we can protect children, protect women, and protect trans people.

Well then it seems that you are the one who has that skill considering you are responding to my respond to your statement :

"Many, if not most, active posters on this board have supported Trump - for his election, and particularly the EO just released."

This seems to be based more on your own personal prejudiced view ‘active posters on this board’ that has led to this mischaracterised generalisation than an accurate observation.

@Helleofabore

This seems to be based more on your own personal prejudiced view ‘active posters on this board’ that has led to this mischaracterised generalisation than an accurate observation.

Well, no - that's based on names I read and recognise, but you're talking about knowing that other people are just flicking through a thread. Magic, isn't it?

oh dear. So you make a generalised statement about active posters on this board yet feel the need to point out that I made a magic assumption. No. Not really, I just look at who has and who hasn’t posted and having previously read the opinions of those who are not participating can draw a pretty well informed guess.

But hey, just to use the phrase you love to use - you do you.

Would you like to engage with @Hellofabore's point that since many regular posters weren't even posting on the Trump threads, you can't reasonably conclude that most regular posters support him?

My recollection of threads where Trump is discussed is that that very few posters here support him. Same in this thread. How much support is there for Trump snd his policies in general?

It's just so lazy to say that we must all be Trump supporters.

It is so interesting that rather than engaging in reasonable points we've just reduced to mudslinging.

And I still haven't been told what it is about my views that Democratic women such as @Danja2010 find abhorrent?

When you can't engage without insults it's indicative that there is no valid argument.

Can you explain, for those of us who don't believe that trans is something real, what you mean by "actual trans people"?

Do you believe that people are somehow literally born in the wrong body, or do you think it's a mental health condition, or is it something else?

This is a question I've asked of many believers in trans, but I've never been given an answer which adequately explains exactly what it is that believers believe in.

I believe that they suffer from severe gender dysmorphia and that transitioning is the best answer to a complicated situation for some people.

Dysmorphia is defined as a condition in which part of the body is a different shape from normal.

Gender is socially determined stereotypes about masculinity and femininity.

So how can some have dysmorphia about socially determined stereotypes?

So it's a mental health condition which can only be alleviated in some cases with treatment which changes their appearance?

This seems to align with what the NHS says, but to my mind, this doesn't make someone "really trans", it makes them some with a serious and persistent mental health condition. The perception of "being trans" only exists in the mind of the patient, and is not real in any objective sense.

This is why I don't believe that anyone is really trans, but I do believe that people exist who believe they are really trans.

What I can't understand is how people who do not believe themselves to be trans can believe that other people can be really trans, when it is simply a belief held by someone with a mental health condition concerning their own body. Surely the belief can only be held by someone with that condition.

Edited to add that I assumed you meant gender dysphoria (not dysmorphia).

I believe some people suffer legitimately from gender dysphoria and transitioning is the right thing for those people.

Therefore they have medical intervention and identify as trans.

They live as the opposite sex hence the transitioning.

This does not mean they become the biological sex, they are trans men and women.

As far as explaining gender dysphoria I don't have it, so wouldn't begin to attempt to. There is lots of literature I'm sure you can find though.

I do have body dysmorphia though and don't see my body as not normal. I just see it as larger than it is.

I'm not going to decide gender dysphoria isn't real.

And I suspect you aren't going to suddenly decide it is real.

So it's probably best to end things there.

Yes, if an atheist shares a belief with someone about the existence of God, they’re not an atheist.

I don’t believe in God, but I believe there are people that do.

I don’t believe anyone can be born in the wrong body, but I believe there are people that do believe in this.

I'm not going to decide gender dysphoria isn't real.
And I suspect you aren't going to suddenly decide it is real.

No one has said it isn’t real. Thats not what OldCrone said isn’t real.

Call it gender dysphoria, call it sex body dysmorphia, call it whatever. But you’re describing, and others describe, a distorted mental state.

What no one can explain is how someone with what even you describe as having a distorted mental health state is actually an innate identity of a group of people. It’s apparently a type of person, a “trans person”, someone that doesn’t require mental health help, but instead needs body actualisation because of unfortunate cosmetic errors.

Either it’s a mental health condition in people just like the rest of us. Like people who get body dysmorphia like you, or limb dysmorphia like others, or eating disorders like others, or any other condition with a distorted perception of self.

Or it’s a type of person who is just part of the spectrum of humans. In which case it needs to be explained what it is that makes a person a “trans person” without resorting to a definition reliant on mental health distortion.

And the relevance to the thread, the bishop thinks there’s such a type of person as a “trans child”. I would wager good money she can’t define that without actually resorting to mental health distortion: defining a child who is mentally distressed about their body, or mentally distressed in relation to social stereotypes, or mentally distressed as a result of other drivers of altered self perception like trauma. I would wager good money the bishop wouldn’t be able to explain it as a type of person, unless, as a bishop, she resorted to talk of “souls”. At least that would be logical.

And then maybe she could explain why, given these difficulties of definitions for children, we should be medicalising them with hormones before we’ve even agreed upon what’s going on with them.

I find the term transition problematic

We don't use it for any other situation where a human can't do what is proposed

I'm sorry you find the term transition problematic.

At this point I will stepping away from the thread.

I don't think much is being gained at the moment and I won't pretend to have all the answers, nor wish to debate the term transition.

It feels like it's all been said at this point.

I hope you all have a lovely day. 💐

No need to apologise honestly, you are welcome to your views, it was more a general comment of every day language. I think language might change over time, again

Have a nice day

Thanks, @NotBadConsidering. That's exactly what I was trying to say.

Either it’s a mental health condition in people just like the rest of us. Like people who get body dysmorphia like you, or limb dysmorphia like others, or eating disorders like others, or any other condition with a distorted perception of self.
Or it’s a type of person who is just part of the spectrum of humans. In which case it needs to be explained what it is that makes a person a “trans person” without resorting to a definition reliant on mental health distortion.

Perhaps it would be clearer for @Princessconsuelabananahammock9 if we discussed a similar condition to gender dysphoria, Body Identity Integrity Disorder or BIID (I think there are also other names for this condition). This is a condition in which a sufferer believes that certain body parts (often a limb) don't belong to them, and they seek amputation.

There was a surgeon in Scotland in the 1990s who was carrying out such amputations for a while but was eventually stopped. It's generally considered by the medical profession that such surgery, even though patients often declared themselves happier afterwards, is not beneficial.

My question for @Princessconsuelabananahammock9 or anyone who believes in the existence of people who are 'really trans' is: do you also believe that these people are 'really transabled'? Or are they just people with a mental health condition? Do you think there is a difference between people with this condition and those who alter their bodies to look like the opposite sex?

Edited for clarity.

It's not every day that the harassment is instigated by the POTUS though.