Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth

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Purpose.

Ideologues who deny the biological reality of sex have increasingly used legal and other socially coercive means to permit men to self-identify as women and gain access to intimate single-sex spaces and activities designed for women, from women’s domestic abuse shelters to women’s workplace showers. This is wrong. Efforts to eradicate the biological reality of sex fundamentally attack women by depriving them of their dignity, safety, and well-being. The erasure of sex in language and policy has a corrosive impact not just on women but on the validity of the entire American system. Basing Federal policy on truth is critical to scientific inquiry, public safety, morale, and trust in government itself.

This unhealthy road is paved by an ongoing and purposeful attack against the ordinary and longstanding use and understanding of biological and scientific terms, replacing the immutable biological reality of sex with an internal, fluid, and subjective sense of self unmoored from biological facts. Invalidating the true and biological category of “woman” improperly transforms laws and policies designed to protect sex-based opportunities into laws and policies that undermine them, replacing longstanding, cherished legal rights and values with an identity-based, inchoate social concept.

This will defend women’s rights and protect freedom of conscience by using clear and accurate language and policies that recognize women are biologically female, and men are biologically male.

Policy and Definitions.

The policy is to recognize two sexes, male and female. These sexes are not changeable and are grounded in fundamental and incontrovertible reality:

(a) “Sex” shall refer to an individual’s immutable biological classification as either male or female. “Sex” is not a synonym for and does not include the concept of “gender identity.”

(b) “Women” or “woman” and “girls” or “girl” shall mean adult and juvenile human females, respectively.

(c) “Men” or “man” and “boys” or “boy” shall mean adult and juvenile human males, respectively.

(d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell.

(e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.

(f) “Gender ideology” replaces the biological category of sex with an ever-shifting concept of self-assessed gender identity, permitting the false claim that males can identify as and thus become women and vice versa, and requiring all institutions of society to regard this false claim as true. Gender ideology includes the idea that there is a vast spectrum of genders that are disconnected from one’s sex. Gender ideology is internally inconsistent, in that it diminishes sex as an identifiable or useful category but nevertheless maintains that it is possible for a person to be born in the wrong sexed body.

(g) “Gender identity” reflects a fully internal and subjective sense of self, disconnected from biological reality and sex and existing on an infinite continuum, that does not provide a meaningful basis for identification and cannot be recognized as a replacement for sex.

Recognizing Women Are Biologically Distinct From Men.

Full statement text at https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

Every news outlet is reporting this as anti trans legisliaton.

Not one has reported it is about women's rights.

That's why I started this thread, although there are others as hoping the search engines will pick it up.

Seems that women's rights are so unimportant to anyone, that even when there is a political statement about them, the media reports it is about something else.

For example, for starters, how would the teenagers know that they were changing with a trans woman?

How would they not know? Do you actually know any transwomen in real life? Or any women for that matter?

My local leisure centre has private cubicles. It also has a busy "open" women's change area with lockers and individual showers off it. It would be very obvious if any of the transwomen I know were changing in there half-covered by a towel like anyone else.

And why would the trans woman be wanting to change in front of them?

I don't know, ask the ones who do. The transwomen I know don't use the women's change area exactly because it would be obvious and uncomfortable all round. I'm not aware of any acceptable motive for a transwoman wanting to use such an open changing area, but if you know of such a motive, do share.

The teenagers know this person is trans because they are clearly a male-bodied person in a typically female swimming costume. Nowhere to hide there!

This person has clearly not undergone any physical transition. The teens know this because they have working eyeballs. Social transition is not relevant here.

My connection to this situation is of no concern of yours really is it? But since you ask, my teen relative and her friends swim here. My religious neighbour swims here.

yes. Another inconsistency in the logic.

I can answer your questions:

How do these teenagers know this person is trans? Looks like a man, has a penis.
To what extent has this trans person undergone social/ medical transition? Changed name, grown breasts through hormones.
How does anyone know this? This person has been quite open about it.
At what point and how did this become clear? When said person decided to start using female changing rooms and running with the girls (despite being at least 20 years older).
what is your connection to this situation? My daughter used to train here and many of her friends still do.

By the way, this tw has said that it is not a question of feeling unsafe in the male changing rooms, they just prefer changing with the girls.

I have never been a situation where an adult person has got their penis out in an open changing room in front of teenage girls . Based on your responses to my questions it sounds like this has not happened.
If this did happen, I have every confidence it would be reported to the management and dealt with swiftly, not to be repeated. We can manage these scenarios without anti-trans anti-scientific legislation like trumps EO,

When we design laws we look at what and who those laws set out to protect, often when drafting laws to a degree there will be a clash of rights, so there will be focus groups and invested parties will discuss pros and cons, the laws will then be taken through a drafting process then proposed as a bill in parliament and eventually ratified or thrown out.

When you speak about a narrative oppositional framing of who trumps who in discourse in sex segregation you are asking for society to ignore oppression that women have experienced since the beginning of time based on the reality of our sexed bodies and presumptions based on our reproductive capabilities. We have been harassed, killed and murdered because we are women, not to mention the discrimination we have faced in employment, access to housing and treated as equal to males bodied people.

Sex segregation was designed to keep people who have female sexed bodies safe from our oppressors who are in the overwhelming majority people who have male sexed bodies. And in sport to give women and girls a competitive chance and fairness which does not exist if we are required to compete against male bodied people (in the vast majority of sports).

What you are asking for is that we ignore the reason that those spaces existed and make them open to people who do not have female sexed bodies thus removing the very reason that they were introduced (to protect female bodies from male bodies).

You call it transphobic to object to his despite the fact that it very clearly (with mounting evidence) harms women and girls.

How you can, with a straight face, call yourself a feminist is completely beyond my comprehension.

You seem to acknowledge that there is a difference in sexed bodies but that difference doesn't matter because what matters is the oppression of the tiny group of male people with cognitive differences that lead to them seeing themselves as female.

As I said when we look at making laws we look at the balance of rights, on the basis of the balance of the group of women oppressed through the ages because we have female sexed bodies to the tiny minority of males who seek to remove our protections, were this ever to have a reasonable debate which didn't involve flinging the word transphobic and/ or bigot or whatever else around it is hard to see how society could remove protections that women have always held.

But there was never a debate because this has always been done by stealth, Stonewall imposed it's version of the law through it's EDI scheme and women were called bigots for pointing out the obvious.

As I said before what you are really supporting is misogyny and it can reasonably be considered to be men's rights activism. If you had any interest in being fair to female bodied people you would respect our needs for safety and fairness based on OUR historical oppression which is entirely sex based.

is completely beyond my comprehension.

it is become clear throughout this conversation that this applies to many things.

But really there’s no need to be personal.

Based on my responses? How do you make that out? I have told you what is actually happening and your response is "it is not happening"? So you do agree that the management should stop the trans woman from changing in the female changing room?

Hand-waving

Is that a personal attack to my well thought out and reasoned post @Lostcat ?

Edited to add, you have edited your post to accuse me of a personal attack. No it wasn't a personal attack I just don't understand your reasoning because it doesn't follow any logic.

How can we manage these scenarios without recognising that there are two sexes and sex-segregated spaces mean sex not gender? Explain.

This just shows how little you really understand.

They don't actually have to get their dick out to be a problem. Their presence is intimidating and a problem.

Reporting to management risks accusations of "transphobia" and a horrible situation all round.

You don't live in the real world.

Chain of leisure centres near me:
Changing areas and toilets
Please use the changing rooms and toilets that align with your gender identity and presentation. If you identify as one gender and present as another, please talk to our manager first so that we can agree on the best approach.

Nothing about hiding your penis from teenage girls

They don't actually have to get their dick out to be a problem. Their presence is intimidating and a problem.
I agree. Although, just to be clear, in the situation I described, the showers are open. (No, I don't love this either!) But generally the girls didn't and don't have a problem with this until they were expected to shower with a male.

So to be clear , it is your claim that this person has been regularly getting his penis out in an open changing room in front of teenage girls? There are no private cubicles available , and the management of the leisure centre are happy for this situation to continue?

If this is true, I do not think it’s ok, no.

@Lostcat We can manage these scenarios without anti-trans anti-scientific legislation like trumps EO

Yes, how? How do we manage situations like these so they're fair for everyone? In the real world where things like this happen?

Yes. This is exactly what is happening. Glad you agree that it is unacceptable. Now can you tell me how we could avoid this situation without prioritizing sex over gender? Because I really can't see anyway round it.

Ok- I don’t think thats acceptable no.
It should be dealt with by management asking that person to change in a private space.
if there are no facilities at the leisure centre, then at home.

This has been tried. The person in question claims to have the right to be treated as a woman. Another space was offered and refused.

They can have their gender respected of course, but I do not agree that that that requires them to get their penis out in front of teenage girls.
The leisure centre management are failing here if they are allowing this and need to come up with some arrangement.

So what does respecting their gender identity actually look like? Are they still allowed to compete with the girls? One of their arguments (which is actually logical I guess) is that if they are considered female for athletics, they are female for the changing rooms.

No I disagree that there is any basis on which it is logical or necessary for an adult person to be allowed to get their penis out in front of teenage girls.

I’m still a bit confused by this scenario- why is an adult trans woman 20 years older competing in athletics with teenage girls? What type of competition is this?

Why should males have their gender respected when this removes women's sex based rights which were introduced to protect the reality of oppression based on the differences between the sexed bodies of males and females?

The training group is made up mainly of teenage girls and women in their twenties. The tw is a lot older but due to male advantage, can compete with females a lot younger. It is not fair, in my opinion, but is happening a lot everywhere. You must have noticed?

Riley Gaines and other swimmers gave evidence of Lia Thomas doing this in swim meets.

When they complained to their coaches they were called bigots.

This is one of the reasons that I applaud Trumps EO which keeps males like Lia Thomas away from women they can harass.