I think the spell is finally broken...

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https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

No it's about having female only
Prisons
Hospital wards
Rape crisis centres
Sports
Intimate care
Etc etc

No one is saying they have to go in with the men. Yes women's spaces and women's protections and women's rights and women's opportunities are now closed to them, but those things should never have been opened to them in the first place.

But trans women and their allies could certainly still campaign for separate provision either for themselves alone or as part of a cohort of other vulnerable men.

And frankly, if there are some groups of men that simply can't be safe with other men then that is what they should have done at the start. There never any valid reason to assume a man who choses to look or act like some type of female archetype somehow actually is more like a woman than he is a man.

I have no problem using women's toilets. I have a problem with men who want to use them.

I don't see what male on male violence has to do with women.

Yes it needs to be resolved in their sex class. Women and girls were over ridden for a couple of decades, now it's back to men to resolve

Being in a female-only prison for the duration of her sentence is absolutely a female criminal's right.

Bring remanded in a female-only prison whilst awaiting trial is absolutely a female defendant's right.

To be locked up with male prisoners is a violation of women's human rights.

To come out with your statement requires creative and deliberate misrepresentation of ResisterOfTwaddleRex's post.

Personally, I don't think it's about men's safety, and there's not much evidence to back that argument up.

If they were worried, they would've campaigned. I don't think they were and they didn't.

I still don't think they are.

But now they don't have much choice.

Hmm, yes maybe I've not explained that very well. Take David Bowie, if he had been growing up today he'd probably be transitioned to being a girl and been too busy with that to bother making any music.

Pro-tip for TRA concern trolls: gender critical feminists do not use the terms "live as women" and "live as men" because we don't believe in that concept.

It's a very very obvious tell.

As I say if you think this is a positive thing for women you are mistaken, but this is getting circular and we’ll see who’d right in the fullness of time.

So what's your solution? That due to the existence of this group of supposedly "extremely vulnerable people", all the women of the US just have to throw their hands in the air, agree some men are actaully women on the inside and that's all there is to it, and suck up sex being undefined as a meaningful criteria in law and protection despite it being quite blatantly something that does affect how every single one of us lives, the opportunities we get and the risks we face? Because obviously, while having the basis on which feminist analys exists and women's rights are justified utterly undefined and delegitimised is bad, being "gross" is clearly so much worse, right?

As I say if you think this is a positive thing for women you are mistaken, but this is getting circular and we’ll see who’d right in the fullness of time.

Why aren't female only prisons a positive for women?

As are:

• Calling another poster 'dear'
• Using childish terms like 'gross' for acknowledging basic reality
• Countering a question with a straw man
• 'but intersex'
• The Baddies say this (true) thing and you've agreed or failed to denounce it so you are also A Baddie
• Hardly anyone is affected
• ... What about the huge number of trans people who will be affected?

Change the fucking record, people. If it was going to work it would've by now. Get better arguments or a new cause.

If this was a Biden/Democrat policy would you support it?

This. If Starmer or Biden had sad it we'd all be cheering because it's re-established a commitment to biological reality and women's rights. We're not going to decry it because it took someone on the right to say it.

The Democrats are hardly left in any but American Terms. The Left do not believe men can be women or women men viz Communist Party of Britain (which is definitely left surely ) declaration on the subject.

You forgot 'educate yourself'. Whilst also never ever actually answering any questions that could clarify anything. (Because they have no answers, as we know).

Ignoring the TRA derailers:

How fucked up is it that a rapist signs this document protecting women and girls (which he clearly didn't actually write but outsourced to a proper legal drafting team, but he agreed with it and signed it) whilst Obama lied to women about his intention to protect Roe? I can understand people who hate Trump voting for him, just because they at least know that what they see is what they get.

But also, wow. I squeed with delight several times reading it.

1. Section Two clarifies the use of male and female.
2. Section Three B places a duty on all federal agencies to enforce all "laws governing sex-based rights, protections, opportunities, and accommodations" on the basis of sex.
3. Section Four A guarantees female-only prisons.
4. Four B guarantees female-only rape shelters (yes, the irony is not lost on me).
5. Section Five guarantees that single-sex spaces at work actually be single-sex.

I am dismayed at Section Four C's lack of nuance. Stopping "Prison Onset Gender Dysphoria", where violent males pretend to transition for underhanded reasons, is a laudable goal, however there will be prisoners who will be dependent on exogenous sex hormones for their bone health who will lose their current treatment and this will endanger their health. Thinking here of people like "Jim" from Dean Spade's Normal Life book.

Checked the first 3 posts
Then the last 3 posts and my bingo card was full already.

Thanks for the reminder that being female happens to all females all over the world irrespective of who thinks what and what country or party line is trying to manipulate it. And it never happens to males no matter what body part they modify or name they use or how much they are afraid of other men.

That was the quickest popcorn session.

What a strange post. I’ve no idea what you think my problems are.

You seem totally ignorant to the fact that most people who are desperate to ‘transition’ are obviously in a state of distress and unhappy with themselves and their lives. Medical professionals, including mental health professionals, promote the idea that the solution to this distress is to ‘change gender’. Therefore it’s unsurprising we are in the position we are as a society, but I don’t blame individuals as this is very much a societal problem. If people are now expected to ‘de transition’ of course this will cause distress and possibly suicides, considering this was meant to be a solution to their problems and it’s now being ripped away - especially if they have had surgeries and taken hormones for years. It’s only human to have some empathy.

How would that work then?

Female
Male
AFAB gender neutral
AMAB gender neutral

Personally I think female and male with a third gender neutral space works well.

I've seen individual private spaces marked as unisex. Most disabled toilets are like this. It seems to work as long as footfall is low.

What about non-binary? Do they get one too?

Gender neutral is mixed sex.

All the young non binary women who campaigned for gender neutral lost a set of loos. The men go in there for a long sit down so the non binaries use the ladies on another floor. One man even forgot to close the cubicle door when he went for a wee. It stinks.

That's why I specfied separate AFAB and AMAB gender neutral toilets so they're not mixed sex

We could of course just go back to having male and female toilets