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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Three-day ban on Reddit for “hate”

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ConversingWithStrangers · 30/12/2024 10:45

The only thing I can think of is posting on a UK sub about male violence. A man said that it’s not just men who have a problem with being violent because he’d been assaulted by a trans woman. I replied, “how did you know your assailant was trans?”.

They literally have subs for men to masturbate to videos of women who have a look of being “dead behind the eyes” they’ve been abused so much.

(It’s either that or somebody doesn’t like my crochet advice).

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Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:33

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:32

And WOW, you reported that post? Seriously?

I didn’t report it
In my experience it’s the other side in this debate that like to report everything.

FlowchartRequired · 04/01/2025 14:33

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:30

Now? I’m pretty sure you called me this yesterday.

I would appreciate it if you answered my question RE single-sex intimate care in hospitals.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:33

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:31

but if the shoe fits

keep going.

You're clearly just trying to provoke me into saying things that you believe give you a fig leaf of an excuse to report my posts and get me banned, aren't you?

We can all see what you're doing and it's very illuminating.

You wouldn't need to resort to these tactics if you had an answer to the actual points being made.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/01/2025 14:33

They aren’t necessarily trans, but a trans person just being trans would still be criminalised by this policy.

Yes, because they'd be deliberately intruding somewhere they're not supposed to be, like any other biological male. They aren't being singled out.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:33

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:33

I didn’t report it
In my experience it’s the other side in this debate that like to report everything.

Edited

Pull the other one, it's got bollocks on it.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:35

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:31

They aren’t necessarily trans, but a trans person simply trying to “pass” would still be criminalised by this policy.

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No they wouldn't. Not if they respected the fact that it is a single sex space for female people.

Only people who broke the law would be criminalised by it. Like all other laws, in fact.

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/01/2025 14:35

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:19

Exactly. This is just the response I always get.
This is proof that the desired solution is not about “personal boundaries” it’s about insisting everyone else - all society - conforms to their ideologies about sex and gender, and desire to segregate/ exclude those whose bodies and identities do not conform to their beliefs about how people ought to be .

Edited

Sex is not an ideology...it is a meausrable reality. I'm curious as to whether you think there is such a thing as 'biological sex'?

Also I'd be interested to hear what you think a man is, or what a woman is - given that you think 'identitying as' is all that is required to be one or the other.
You do seem to have maintained separate categories. Based on what, and why?

Also, you seem to suffering a fundamental misunderstanding that somehow people here believe that people should behave or make choices entirely predicated on gender stereotypes associated with their biological sex...where the opposite is actually the case.

In fact, it is you who seems to be wanting to push people into rigid gender categories - or to base their identity on whether they like 'girly' things or 'boyish' things.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/01/2025 14:38

Why do you think "trans women" would be more likely than other males deliberately enter a space only for biological females @Lostcat ?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:39

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:31

They aren’t necessarily trans, but a trans person simply trying to “pass” would still be criminalised by this policy.

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Why would they not "pass" if they used the women's single gender toilets rather than the women's single sex toilets?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/01/2025 14:40

In my experience it’s the other side in this debate that like to report everything.

Nonsense.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 04/01/2025 14:41

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:24

and it is made a criminal offence for any male person to enter it

wow .

you want to criminalise being trans.

if ever anyone was in doubt about the violence behind GC ideologies this is it.

Oh behave

you literally just said that people with GC views would have a 3rd space

now they can’t again…have some consistency at least

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:42

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:39

Why would they not "pass" if they used the women's single gender toilets rather than the women's single sex toilets?

If that were the solution - single gender toilets and single sex toilets- I’m supportive of that and I’m sure trans people would respect it- no reason to think otherwise: I’m just disturbed by the idea it should be a criminal offence to get it wrong- which could easily be done. Don’t you think it’s a little bit disproportionate to make it a criminal offence to enter the wrong toilet? I would have broken the law myself on more than one occasion. To me it’s very clearly a radical / disproportionate policy idea designed to criminalise trans experience.

ellenback21 · 04/01/2025 14:44

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:42

If that were the solution - single gender toilets and single sex toilets- I’m supportive of that and I’m sure trans people would respect it- no reason to think otherwise: I’m just disturbed by the idea it should be a criminal offence to get it wrong- which could easily be done. Don’t you think it’s a little bit disproportionate to make it a criminal offence to enter the wrong toilet? I would have broken the law myself on more than one occasion. To me it’s very clearly a radical / disproportionate policy idea designed to criminalise trans experience.

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and yet she said 'male person' You equated that with 'trans'

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:45

ellenback21 · 04/01/2025 14:44

and yet she said 'male person' You equated that with 'trans'

So are you saying that if a trans woman entered the single sex toilet that wouldn’t be a violation of that pp’s proposed policy? I thought that was the entire basis of your - and everyone else on this thread’s - belief system that trans women are by definition “male”. Sorry if I got that wrong!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:47

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:45

So are you saying that if a trans woman entered the single sex toilet that wouldn’t be a violation of that pp’s proposed policy? I thought that was the entire basis of your - and everyone else on this thread’s - belief system that trans women are by definition “male”. Sorry if I got that wrong!

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Why would the trans woman enter the female only toilet?

There is a single gender (i.e. not single sex) women's toilet available in this situation.

We are talking about the third space which has been created specifically for women who need single sex spaces.

Why would trans women enter that space?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/01/2025 14:48

I’m just disturbed by the idea it should be a criminal offence to get it wrong- which could easily be done. Don’t you think it’s a little bit disproportionate to make it a criminal offence to enter the wrong toilet? I would have broken the law myself on more than one occasion. To me it’s very clearly a radical / disproportionate policy idea designed to criminalise trans experience.

They wouldn't do it by accident, there could be a huge sign on the door saying it was a toilet for gender critical feminist women and others who need female only space.

So you'd be highly unlikely to find yourself in there by mistake, and I'm sure there could be mitigating circumstances for anyone who couldn't understand the sign.

The only men in there would be deliberately violating women's privacy and dignity. Because they wanted to. It's got precisely zero to do with "trans experience". So I'll get out my tiniest violin.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:48

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:42

If that were the solution - single gender toilets and single sex toilets- I’m supportive of that and I’m sure trans people would respect it- no reason to think otherwise: I’m just disturbed by the idea it should be a criminal offence to get it wrong- which could easily be done. Don’t you think it’s a little bit disproportionate to make it a criminal offence to enter the wrong toilet? I would have broken the law myself on more than one occasion. To me it’s very clearly a radical / disproportionate policy idea designed to criminalise trans experience.

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Well what is the point in having this space if the rule isn't enforced?

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:48

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:47

Why would the trans woman enter the female only toilet?

There is a single gender (i.e. not single sex) women's toilet available in this situation.

We are talking about the third space which has been created specifically for women who need single sex spaces.

Why would trans women enter that space?

As above I have no idea to think they would other than in error, but don’t you think it’s a little bit wild to criminalise entering the wrong toilet?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/01/2025 14:49

and everyone else on this thread’s - belief system that trans women are by definition “male”. Sorry if I got that wrong!

It's not a belief system, they literally are male. But not all males are "trans women", are they?

All "trans women" are male. Not all males are "trans women" hth

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:50

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:48

Well what is the point in having this space if the rule isn't enforced?

We have single sex toilets now- is this rule “enforced” through criminal law. Come on now.

Actuallt I don’t know why I’m wasting my time on this it’s clearly absurd.

ellenback21 · 04/01/2025 14:50

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:45

So are you saying that if a trans woman entered the single sex toilet that wouldn’t be a violation of that pp’s proposed policy? I thought that was the entire basis of your - and everyone else on this thread’s - belief system that trans women are by definition “male”. Sorry if I got that wrong!

Edited

No. Just pointing out that when we talk about males violating boundaries, you equate that with males that have a subconscious sex of female. Just wondering why that is?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/01/2025 14:50

It's your thought experiment @Lostcat

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:50

ellenback21 · 04/01/2025 14:50

No. Just pointing out that when we talk about males violating boundaries, you equate that with males that have a subconscious sex of female. Just wondering why that is?

Because I’ve been debating with you all for 38 pages and I knew what that poster meant by her proposal?

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:51

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:42

If that were the solution - single gender toilets and single sex toilets- I’m supportive of that and I’m sure trans people would respect it- no reason to think otherwise: I’m just disturbed by the idea it should be a criminal offence to get it wrong- which could easily be done. Don’t you think it’s a little bit disproportionate to make it a criminal offence to enter the wrong toilet? I would have broken the law myself on more than one occasion. To me it’s very clearly a radical / disproportionate policy idea designed to criminalise trans experience.

Edited

This is the last I have to say on this wild suggestion.

ellenback21 · 04/01/2025 14:51

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:50

Because I’ve been debating with you all for 38 pages and I knew what that poster meant by her proposal?

Not that you are a raging transphobe then?

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