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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Three-day ban on Reddit for “hate”

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ConversingWithStrangers · 30/12/2024 10:45

The only thing I can think of is posting on a UK sub about male violence. A man said that it’s not just men who have a problem with being violent because he’d been assaulted by a trans woman. I replied, “how did you know your assailant was trans?”.

They literally have subs for men to masturbate to videos of women who have a look of being “dead behind the eyes” they’ve been abused so much.

(It’s either that or somebody doesn’t like my crochet advice).

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/01/2025 14:16

Lucky? this has to take the prize for the most ridiculous claim on the thread. And there’s some stiff competition.

I for one am devastated that my posts aren't to your taste SadSadSad

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:16

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 13:38

Absolutely you are entitled to your boundary. But you can’t expect the rest of society to organise themselves around your prejudice (apologies for being blunt), especially when it is oppressive and promotes violence.
Other people have needs and boundaries too.

I have often advocated for the provision of third spaces for gender critical feminists- and others who want to be separated based on reproductive gametes. But for some reason that makes posters on these threads even more angry and they can’t seem to even get their heads around it.

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But trans people can expect the rest of society to organise themselves around trans people's personal, private gender identities?

Make it make sense.

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/01/2025 14:16

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 13:46

Men, women with it's broad definition (i.e unisex) and then a space for the actual females who want it

Nope. This is not what I said.
A space for men (trans and not trans), and space for women (trans and not trans) - which is actually the status quo- and a third space for those whose boundaries mean they do not want to interact with anyone registered male at birth/ or with XY chromosomes/ or who is capable of impregnating someone/ or however it is you want to draw the line (as I’m not clear really).

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The third space is for those that don't want to use the facilities priovided for their sex.

ellenback21 · 04/01/2025 14:18

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 13:38

Absolutely you are entitled to your boundary. But you can’t expect the rest of society to organise themselves around your prejudice (apologies for being blunt), especially when it is oppressive and promotes violence.
Other people have needs and boundaries too.

I have often advocated for the provision of third spaces for gender critical feminists- and others who want to be separated based on reproductive gametes. But for some reason that makes posters on these threads even more angry and they can’t seem to even get their heads around it.

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I am bookmarking this to show everyone I meet who has no inkling of how deranged the ideology is.

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:19

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/01/2025 14:16

The third space is for those that don't want to use the facilities priovided for their sex.

Exactly. This is just the response I always get.
This is proof that the desired solution is not about “personal boundaries” it’s about insisting everyone else - all society - conforms to their ideologies about sex and gender, and desire to segregate/ exclude those whose bodies and identities do not conform to their beliefs about how people ought to be .

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/01/2025 14:20

But trans people can expect the rest of society to organise themselves around trans people's personal, private gender identities?

I think that's the point. It's a DARVO.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:20

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 13:46

Men, women with it's broad definition (i.e unisex) and then a space for the actual females who want it

Nope. This is not what I said.
A space for men (trans and not trans), and space for women (trans and not trans) - which is actually the status quo- and a third space for those whose boundaries mean they do not want to interact with anyone registered male at birth/ or with XY chromosomes/ or who is capable of impregnating someone/ or however it is you want to draw the line (as I’m not clear really).

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As long as that third space is big enough for roughly half the population to use, and it is made a criminal offence for any male person to enter it, then that's absolutely fine by me, pal.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:22

Helleofabore · 04/01/2025 13:48

Thank you.

This leveraging of the Taliban has been really disturbing and you have articulated why.

The other reason the leveraging of the Taliban is so disturbing is because women in Afghanistan can't identify out of their oppression by becoming trans men or non binary, whereas trans women can escape their oppression by...wearing trousers and growing a beard.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:23

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FlowchartRequired · 04/01/2025 14:24

A question for Lostcat.

A young woman has been in a bad accident and is in hospital unable to move from her bed due to her injuries. She needs intimate care during her recovery including bathing, wiping her bum after using the bed pan and changing of sanitary products while she menstruates. She requests a female nurse (and specifically means a biological female nurse, not a transwoman nurse) to do this due to her privacy and dignity during this time when she is extremely vulnerable (cannot even get up from the bed).

Do you think that it is reasonable of her to make this request? Should the hospital fulfill it and ensure that only a female nurse helps her with her intimate care needs? If not, why not?

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:24

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:20

As long as that third space is big enough for roughly half the population to use, and it is made a criminal offence for any male person to enter it, then that's absolutely fine by me, pal.

and it is made a criminal offence for any male person to enter it

wow .

you want to criminalise being trans.

if ever anyone was in doubt about the violence behind GC ideologies this is it.

ellenback21 · 04/01/2025 14:24

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 22:08

So Two very specific scenarios (although let’s be real I think the school one has more to do with prudery than anything else- if teenagers want to do stuff that can result in pregnancy they’ll find a way regardless of a school trip 😉).
So that really leaves prisons.
in any case do you think there might be ways of managing risks in these specific scenarios in a proportionate manner , and on a case by case basis , which safeguards everyone? Because I’m pretty sure that’s easily achievable .

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Also marking this for the complete disregard for child safeguarding that always seems to accompany these sort of posts. Can't imagine why

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:25

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Spoiler: they won't. Because being in the company of unconsenting women is the point.

the point of being trans is to be in the company of “unconsenting” women?
So in your mind being trans = being a sexual predator?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/01/2025 14:26

you want to criminalise being trans.

Why would a man enter a space specifically for women whose boundaries are such that they can't share spaces with men? And why have you assumed these boundary violating men are "trans"? Very revealing.

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:26

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:25

Spoiler: they won't. Because being in the company of unconsenting women is the point.

the point of being trans is to be in the company of “unconsenting” women?
So in your mind being trans = being a sexual predator?

The true attitudes that are behind all of this are all coming out again.
Off you all go.

Chersfrozenface · 04/01/2025 14:27

LoobiJee · 04/01/2025 13:41

“I have often advocated for the provision of third spaces for gender critical feminists- and others who want to be separated based on reproductive gametes. But for some reason that makes posters on these threads even more angry and they can’t seem to even get their heads around it.”

What user name did you use on those threads?

I’d be interested to go back and read the responses you received.

A poster using the name PiggleToes advocated for "third spaces for gender critical women" on the threads entitled "To think that releasing crickets at a gay rights conference, specifically to shut them down, should be considered a homophobic hate crime? Somehow these people are crowdfunding to do it AGAIN" and "Female nurses have to get changed with a male. They are told to go to another room. The man keeps the female changing room to himself. Wtaf is going on?" on the AIBU board.

ellenback21 · 04/01/2025 14:28

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:24

and it is made a criminal offence for any male person to enter it

wow .

you want to criminalise being trans.

if ever anyone was in doubt about the violence behind GC ideologies this is it.

Touch of desperation now

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:29

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:24

and it is made a criminal offence for any male person to enter it

wow .

you want to criminalise being trans.

if ever anyone was in doubt about the violence behind GC ideologies this is it.

What? No.

This is the third space for women who need single sex spaces we are talking about. I'm talking about creating single sex spaces, which you claim have never existed, as opposed to the single gender spaces you claim are the norm. If we are creating a single sex space we need to ensure that the single sex nature of that space is protected.

It has nothing to do with "criminalising being trans" but criminalising male people using an explicitly female only space when not just one but two alternatives, one of which says "women" on the door, are available.

Are you suggesting that we have a third space for women who can't share these spaces with trans women, but no consequences if trans women decide to disregard that boundary and use it anyway? What is the point of that?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/01/2025 14:30

"and a third space for those whose boundaries mean they do not want to interact with anyone registered male at birth/ or with XY chromosomes/ or who is capable of impregnating someone/ or however it is you want to draw the line (as I’m not clear really)."

Your post @Lostcat - seeing as you are lamely attempting to pivot. Why is a man violating this space necessarily going to be "trans" ? As I say, very revealing of your mindset.

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:30

ellenback21 · 04/01/2025 14:28

Touch of desperation now

Now? I’m pretty sure you called me this yesterday.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:31

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Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:31

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/01/2025 14:30

"and a third space for those whose boundaries mean they do not want to interact with anyone registered male at birth/ or with XY chromosomes/ or who is capable of impregnating someone/ or however it is you want to draw the line (as I’m not clear really)."

Your post @Lostcat - seeing as you are lamely attempting to pivot. Why is a man violating this space necessarily going to be "trans" ? As I say, very revealing of your mindset.

They aren’t necessarily trans, but a trans person simply trying to “pass” would still be criminalised by this policy.

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:31

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but if the shoe fits

keep going.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/01/2025 14:32

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:25

Spoiler: they won't. Because being in the company of unconsenting women is the point.

the point of being trans is to be in the company of “unconsenting” women?
So in your mind being trans = being a sexual predator?

And WOW, you reported that post? Seriously?

ellenback21 · 04/01/2025 14:33

Lostcat · 04/01/2025 14:30

Now? I’m pretty sure you called me this yesterday.

Well it's happened more than once

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