Three-day ban on Reddit for “hate”

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The only thing I can think of is posting on a UK sub about male violence. A man said that it’s not just men who have a problem with being violent because he’d been assaulted by a trans woman. I replied, “how did you know your assailant was trans?”.

They literally have subs for men to masturbate to videos of women who have a look of being “dead behind the eyes” they’ve been abused so much.

(It’s either that or somebody doesn’t like my crochet advice).

Is subconscious sex like having a soul?

Is this true of all psychological/ mental aspects of a person then?
Is depression just an “idea in someone’s head” and not an “observable, physical, probable, material, fact”? What about psychosis? What about sexual attraction/ orientation? What about hunger/ appetite?
How do you understand the relationship between the brain and the body, and the role of the brain / brain structure/ chemistry in shaping cognitions?

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I don't know either, I am inching towards an understanding and this q popped into my head.

@Lostcat this….

In terms of what non-trans and trans women have in common- it’s simple- it’s the understanding/ apprehension/ “knowing” / recognition of self as woman/female (whichever word you prefer). In other words - in terms of the two aspects I mentioned above- our natal sex (observed, registered, assigned) at birth is different - our bodies are different - but our “subconscious sex” / gender is the same.

Means that transwomen can’t be included in the group lesbian because lesbian is about sex / bodies. Lesbians are only attracted to other female bodies, not male bodies with female minds.

Heterosexual women are attracted to male bodies, not female bodies with male minds.

Some people on this thread might want to improve their understanding of neurobiology/ psychology before they dismiss all psychological process / cognitions as unscientific.

Sex is observable, provable and immutable.

It is a physical aspect of the human body, not a psychological one.

You do realise that all kinds of psychological conditions/ functions have a physical basis/ cause right? (And these physical aspects can be observed/ identified/ measured - sometimes they can be altered with medical interventions , sometimes they can’t at least within the context of current medical technologies. )
Or perhaps you don’t understand these things ? The distinction you are drawing is really very simplistic and demonstrates very little understanding of science. It really is possible to educate yourself before you form strong opinions about something you don’t understand.
Im sorry as I know that sounds patronising but I really don’t know how else to say it other than to be blunt.

But some lesbian women are attracted to trans women. And some heterosexual men are too!

But some lesbian women are attracted to trans women.

So? Still doesn't make transwomen lesbians.

And some heterosexual men are too!

I don’t see the relevance of this statement to my point which was that transwomen cannot by your logic be lesbian.

Gosh. Ok then. So not transgender but is a self appointed arbiter of who is and isn’t transgender.

And not lesbian and is the arbiter of who is and isn’t lesbian. While being someone who doesn’t have any evidence to support the claims you make about what the majority of lesbians believe, because your evidence was not saying what you declared it was saying.

Good to know.

I think I will go back to listening to transgender people about who is and isn’t transgender and listen to lesbians about who is and isn’t a lesbian.

Thanks for clarifying.

Once again, sex is not psychological, it is physical. In humans it is binary and immutable, as in all mammals.

Some people evidently have the idea that they are either the opposite sex, or have no sex at all.

But they are the sex they were conceived and born, and which they will die. They can ask that others regard them, speak of them and treat them as though they are of the opposite sex or of none, but they have no right to demand such treatment and no-one should be forced or coerced into doing so. Indeed is some cases it is imperative that they are always treated as the sex they actually, provably, immutably are.

It really is turtles all the way down.

Please, please do.

and that will be the very last time I respond to you., since you are intent on weaponising my person.

You were making statements about lesbianism and attraction is which is contradicted by these things.

Anyways. I did my best and now I have better things to do with my time

None of this explains why a male with a trans identity should be treated as if they were female.

Those male people may believe they are female, but they are not.

They are not female according to sex as observed / assigned / registered at birth but they are female according to subconscious/ psychological sex.
Why do you think that the former should automatically be prioritised over the latter in social / legal policy ?
why does that look like justice to you?

No, my point is not contradicted by who may or may not fancy transwomen.

A lesbian may find me attractive. That doesn’t make me a lesbian. The only thing that would make me a lesbian is if I was a woman (body kind by your earlier definition) who exclusively finds other woman (body kind by your earlier definition) sexually attractive.

A man might find a transwoman attractive, again who someone fancies does not determine the sexuality of the other person.
And this is even less relevant to being a lesbian.
A man fancying a transwoman doesn’t make that transwoman a lesbian otherwise a man fancying any woman (as you subscribe to twaw) a lesbian ffs.

I don’t believe that you are in any position at all to be making accusations about other posters.

And feel free to ignore my posts. I will however continue to post freely on this forum just as I believe you told us all we should use all the forum’s features that are available to us. I will however respond to your posts as this is a public forum and responding within the the talk guidelines is the purpose of the forum.

So, again they believe they are female when they materially are not. People believe they are many things that they are materially not and they don’t have additional privileges under policy and law to be treated as what they believe they are when it matters.

I think it is clear why male people should not be treated as female for the purpose of single sex provisions. Because when sex matters it is about the physical sex and not how a male person feels.

Would you like to tell us why a male person should be allowed to compete as a female person in female sport events? Why should what that male person feels they are be considered for a female Olympic event?

But some lesbian women are attracted to trans women. And some heterosexual men are too!

They're bisexual.

You really can't say anyone has a problem understanding science. You haven't grasped the basics at all.
It is possible that educate yourself, but perhaps you should go get ear, before advising others?

Indeed.
I am getting a feeling of deja-vu here

Anyone else being reminded of this....

OK, so given you believe TWAW then you believe the fundamental aspect of womanhood is mental not physical, ie there is a way that people who are women think that is different to people who are men think that is an a priori fundamental quality of women not simply a result of sex differences or of the different sexes being treated differently by society. I don't agree (actually think that is pretty sexist and reductive) but that's not important to the point I'm about to make so for the duration of this post I will accept it.

Let's say this defintion of Woman is the real one. Let's say society, in believing Women to be simply the people who have female-sex bodies with no distinction placed on any quality of their mind was just plain wrong. Female-sex people would still exist, and the things that happened to them because they were female still happened to them whether or not it was correct to call them women, and they are the people for whom feminism fought and for whose needs the rights and supports of "women" were put in place.

So my question is still, why is it now necessary to bundle the pre-existing identity, language, rights and support for female bodied people into this gender based idea of "Woman" when by your definition, "Woman" is not who those people are?

Because whether or not the name for female people is Woman, it's not like being female isn’t a real thing. It's not like being female doesn't still carry plenty of physical and social consequences that mean female people need rights and supports. And if you say the rights and protections of "woman" belong to those with a "subconscious sex" of woman, what happens to people like me with the needs of female bodies but a different subconscious sex? What happened to the rights of those people?

Why is it so important to you not just that what was put in place originally for female people is made over to anyone who has a "subconscious sex" of "woman", but that people with female bodies are also prevented from having any supports or even a name?