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Trump's plans for day one: ending child sexual mutilation and having just male and female genders

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ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 22/12/2024 20:14

He says "genders" but that has to mean "sex". Day one executive orders, apparently:

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SageHoney · 24/12/2024 02:47

IDareSay · 23/12/2024 21:28

He will ban ante natal care? Aye right…

Trump derangement syndrome very active in here!

I'm in the USA at them moment, and I don't think that he concern you're dismissing is unreasonable or invalid. Can you elaborate on how and why you dismiss it?

Britinme · 24/12/2024 02:57

I'm in Maine, which has a Democrat governor and has abortion rights enshrined in the state constitution, though technically we are a purple state since District 2 (northern Maine) tends to vote Republican and District 1 tends to vote Democrat. We are one of the two states, along with Nebraska, that splits their electoral college vote. The atmosphere here is generally still TWAW but I'm sensing a vibe shift starting. I have heard nothing whatsoever about banning ante-natal care and I frankly don't believe it because there are too many OB/GYNs making a living out of it, though it wouldn't surprise me if the feds brought in some restriction on how contraception is paid for.

It's hard for UK residents to wrap their head around the limitations of what the federal government can decree as distinct from what is under state control.

NotBadConsidering · 24/12/2024 04:24

It's hard for UK residents to wrap their head around the limitations of what the federal government can decree as distinct from what is under state control.

Is this unique to the UK though? Kamala Harris campaigned on protecting abortion rights. She pretended that if elected as a federal government she would protect abortions rights, but it seems voters knew that that was bullshit, and the states would always have primary control over that, and looked at other issues to decide their vote.

In the fallout post-election, people seemingly couldn’t understand why voters in certain states didn’t prioritise what is a state issue over issues the federal government actually has control over, like the budget and immigration.

So maybe a lot of Americans don’t understand this too, or don’t understand how other citizens think on this.

IDareSay · 24/12/2024 09:00

SageHoney · 24/12/2024 02:47

I'm in the USA at them moment, and I don't think that he concern you're dismissing is unreasonable or invalid. Can you elaborate on how and why you dismiss it?

Show me the evidence that Trump is planning to ban ante-natal care.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 24/12/2024 09:32

GiveMeSpanakopita · 23/12/2024 10:46

The surgeons who do trans surgeries are butchers. They overpromise and do shoddy work. The rate of post op complications for MtF is 50%. For phallo, it's 80%. Even if the best surgeons did the best work, there would still be complications and failures because the surgeries are just not possible whilst human bodies are the way they are. Colon tissue cannot become vaginal tissue. A female urethra cannot be stretched to the tip of a neophallus without fistula.

Vulnerable people undergo these surgeries and wind up horrifically disabled. Some die like Griffen Sivret and Apollo Moon - both in their 20s.

My heart breaks when I read trans forums and see the pain and horror these young people have to go through. Meanwhile the Mengele who did the surgery disappears with the money.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day and Trump is bang on here. We should not be butchering mentally ill young people. End the butchery now.

This.

Treat the mental illness that makes them hate their own bodies instead of butcher them. One day we will look back on horror at this madness. Poor mentally ill children thinking they can change their bodies, pick a gender and all is good. They have been sold a lie

GiveMeSpanakopita · 24/12/2024 09:41

YoYoYoYo12345 · 24/12/2024 09:32

This.

Treat the mental illness that makes them hate their own bodies instead of butcher them. One day we will look back on horror at this madness. Poor mentally ill children thinking they can change their bodies, pick a gender and all is good. They have been sold a lie

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I would go further and say that the trans surgery machine is institutionalised child abuse. Because it's explicitly taking mentally ill, abused, autistic, eating disordered and otherwise vulnerable children, drugging and mutilating their genitals, and even forcing a No Contact separation between them and their families if the families don't comply. This is absolutely the predator's playbook and so in 30 years I believe we'll look back on this period with the same horror that we use to look back on Jimmy Savile's career.

Indeed the Savile parallel is quite a useful one because the dominant attitude to him today is one of carefully constructed bemusement, like "How could he have done all of this in plain sight? Why did no one stop him? Thank God we're more enlightened now about these matters!"

Well our smug self-congratulation will have to be torn down because from 2015 - 2024 we allowed a far worse form of abuse (worse because it resulted in permanent disablement and disfigurement) in plain sight and in fact even bien pensant celebrities like Emma Watson and David Tennant cheered it on.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 24/12/2024 09:43

GiveMeSpanakopita · 24/12/2024 09:41

I would go further and say that the trans surgery machine is institutionalised child abuse. Because it's explicitly taking mentally ill, abused, autistic, eating disordered and otherwise vulnerable children, drugging and mutilating their genitals, and even forcing a No Contact separation between them and their families if the families don't comply. This is absolutely the predator's playbook and so in 30 years I believe we'll look back on this period with the same horror that we use to look back on Jimmy Savile's career.

Indeed the Savile parallel is quite a useful one because the dominant attitude to him today is one of carefully constructed bemusement, like "How could he have done all of this in plain sight? Why did no one stop him? Thank God we're more enlightened now about these matters!"

Well our smug self-congratulation will have to be torn down because from 2015 - 2024 we allowed a far worse form of abuse (worse because it resulted in permanent disablement and disfigurement) in plain sight and in fact even bien pensant celebrities like Emma Watson and David Tennant cheered it on.

Why do the parents of these children think changing sex, name, wearing pre conceived ideas of gender clothing, taking puberty blockers, chest binding and then surgery is the way to go. Why not treat the underlying hatred of their bodies? Its odd.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 24/12/2024 09:53

YoYoYoYo12345 · 24/12/2024 09:43

Why do the parents of these children think changing sex, name, wearing pre conceived ideas of gender clothing, taking puberty blockers, chest binding and then surgery is the way to go. Why not treat the underlying hatred of their bodies? Its odd.

I think a lot of them are operating out of fear because they are being told that their child will DEFINITELY commit suicide if they don't allow the treatment.

I subscribe to the PITT substack which is written by parents of transitioning children who are against the transition. Other common themes I see are:

  1. Parents without college education who feel 'railroaded' by the 'clever' professionals
  2. Conversely, parents with multiple postgrad degrees who swallowed the postmodern neomarxist theories on which trans rests and so feel their principles mean they have to go along with
  3. Coercion from the child - threatning suicide, going NC, self harm
  4. In some US states it appears that until recently children were able to get hormones and binders from Planned Parenthood without their parent' knowledge
ChessorBuckaroo · 24/12/2024 10:03

GiveMeSpanakopita · 24/12/2024 09:41

I would go further and say that the trans surgery machine is institutionalised child abuse. Because it's explicitly taking mentally ill, abused, autistic, eating disordered and otherwise vulnerable children, drugging and mutilating their genitals, and even forcing a No Contact separation between them and their families if the families don't comply. This is absolutely the predator's playbook and so in 30 years I believe we'll look back on this period with the same horror that we use to look back on Jimmy Savile's career.

Indeed the Savile parallel is quite a useful one because the dominant attitude to him today is one of carefully constructed bemusement, like "How could he have done all of this in plain sight? Why did no one stop him? Thank God we're more enlightened now about these matters!"

Well our smug self-congratulation will have to be torn down because from 2015 - 2024 we allowed a far worse form of abuse (worse because it resulted in permanent disablement and disfigurement) in plain sight and in fact even bien pensant celebrities like Emma Watson and David Tennant cheered it on.

Trans surgery is not abuse given the person receiving it not only consents (thus is not abuse) they seek it. The only issue is it too readily available.

Circumcision - genital mutilation - of babies, that is abuse. They did not consent to having their genitalia disfigured.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 24/12/2024 10:14

ChessorBuckaroo · 24/12/2024 10:03

Trans surgery is not abuse given the person receiving it not only consents (thus is not abuse) they seek it. The only issue is it too readily available.

Circumcision - genital mutilation - of babies, that is abuse. They did not consent to having their genitalia disfigured.

This is untrue, and a fallacy.

  1. Informed consent cannot be given if all risks and information is not given; very many trans people who have suffered disabling complications and outcomes say in their own words that they were not given the full detail of the risks
  2. In fact, a shocking number of trans children and their parents were never informed that blocking puberty is irreversible, and results in disablement, cognitive damage and chronic illness
  3. In fact Joanna Olsen Kennedy, a trans healthcare spokeswoman, said at a conference that mastectomies are essentially reversible
  4. Patients with severe mental health conditions cannot give informed consent (I say this as a recovered anorexic who was hospitalised twice for my condition and on the second occasion fed against my consent. My consent wasn't informed consent, because I was dying of starvation)
  5. People with certain ND conditions may not be able to give fully formed consent...
  6. ....as cannot many people with PTSD from sexual abuse.

The consent trope is a reflection of the trans movement's hypercapitalist, libertarian aproach to dangerous bodily modification. It utterly fails to protect and safeguard the most vulnerable in our society. In fact, it exploits them.

Norwayspell · 24/12/2024 10:55

In one of the episodes of Gender: a wider lens, the one on the Lisbon conference, it was claimed that, in the WPATH conference happening in parallel, the consensus is forming that a deep vaginoplasty is not recommended, and they are shifting to recommending a shallower surgery that doesn't create a pseudo vaginal canal, because of the rates of complications. If even WPATH is starting to consider it unethical... If this is confirmed (it was sort of leaked information), it's big! At it left me wondering about phalloplasties, which are as bad as, if not even worse.

RoyalCorgi · 24/12/2024 11:01

I would go further and say that the trans surgery machine is institutionalised child abuse. Because it's explicitly taking mentally ill, abused, autistic, eating disordered and otherwise vulnerable children, drugging and mutilating their genitals, and even forcing a No Contact separation between them and their families if the families don't comply. This is absolutely the predator's playbook and so in 30 years I believe we'll look back on this period with the same horror that we use to look back on Jimmy Savile's career.

Worse than Savile's career. This is the medical profession knowingly mutilating children and putting them on life-shortening drugs, with the explicit endorsement of the establishment: government, corporates, universities, professional associations and so on. It's more like the frontal lobotomy scandal, but worse even than that in my view.

TempestTost · 24/12/2024 11:09

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 23/12/2024 18:56

I thought he supported the right not to support gay adoption. But whatever. This isn't about that. It's about stopping the butchery of gay children and the raping of women, or women being stopped from accessing scholarships to get into colleges because of men claiming a woman identity. That kind of thing. If he does that, GOOD.

Ah yes, that seems to be correct.

It has to do with Catholic adoption agencies that have been prevented from functioning in the US because they don't adopt to gay couples.

So Catholic (or presumably other) agencies will be able to follow their religious teachings on this issue. So presumably gay couples will have to adopt through non-Catholic agencies.

Not quite banning gay adoption. I'm not sure the hyperbole really engenders trust in the political understanding, or honesty, of the person saying that's the purpose.

Britinme · 24/12/2024 11:10

NotBadConsidering · 24/12/2024 04:24

It's hard for UK residents to wrap their head around the limitations of what the federal government can decree as distinct from what is under state control.

Is this unique to the UK though? Kamala Harris campaigned on protecting abortion rights. She pretended that if elected as a federal government she would protect abortions rights, but it seems voters knew that that was bullshit, and the states would always have primary control over that, and looked at other issues to decide their vote.

In the fallout post-election, people seemingly couldn’t understand why voters in certain states didn’t prioritise what is a state issue over issues the federal government actually has control over, like the budget and immigration.

So maybe a lot of Americans don’t understand this too, or don’t understand how other citizens think on this.

The ACLU laid out a pathway for Harris to accomplish this - www.aclu.org/news/reproductive-freedom/how-kamala-harris-can-secure-federal-abortion-protection-once-and-for-all - but it's all very iffy, and bearing in mind that several states have banned or heavily restricted abortion access it would have probably ended up back in front of SCOTUS anyway. Given the current make-up of the court, I'm not sure whether any such legislation would stand in the end.

NotBadConsidering · 24/12/2024 12:07

Britinme · 24/12/2024 11:10

The ACLU laid out a pathway for Harris to accomplish this - www.aclu.org/news/reproductive-freedom/how-kamala-harris-can-secure-federal-abortion-protection-once-and-for-all - but it's all very iffy, and bearing in mind that several states have banned or heavily restricted abortion access it would have probably ended up back in front of SCOTUS anyway. Given the current make-up of the court, I'm not sure whether any such legislation would stand in the end.

Exactly. Everyone knew it was iffy. They knew the states wouldn’t stand for any federal legislation, they knew it was an empty promise like every other Democrat administration before it, and knew it wouldn’t stand up to SCOTUS scrutiny or judgment.

And those in Red states who are anti-abortion didn’t care. And those in Red states that are pro-choice knew they were screwed anyway and Harris had little chance of saving them.

And those in Blue states who already had abortion rights protected at a state level didn’t have to worry.

So everyone looked elsewhere for reasons to decide their vote.

And the Democrats were somehow shocked that Harris’s “I’ll do what no one else has managed, promise, no we mean it this time, honestly” pledge wasn’t enough on its own and worth ignoring other issues for. “But, but, but, we were going to protect abortion rights federally! Why didn’t people vote for that alone?!” Federal Democrats couldn’t wrap their heads around how insightful voters were on voting on issues they thought could bring about actual change to their lives rather than empty promises.

Britinme · 24/12/2024 13:07

I think the trans issue prompted far more switching away from the Democrats than they are willing to acknowledge. I held my nose and voted for them anyway because I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump, but I was deeply unhappy about that aspect of their policies.

MarieDeGournay · 19/01/2025 00:32

MarieDeGournay · 22/12/2024 21:09

Something else for President Trump's 'Things To Do On Day One' list!

'Day One' is 20th January, but let's be generous and give him till the first full day of his presidency, 21st January. It's going to be one heck of a day, as he has already promised to:

"On Day One, I will revoke Joe Biden’s cruel policies on so-called “gender affirming care”
"On day one, I will launch the largest deportation program in American history to get the criminals out,"
He said he would never abuse power as retribution against anybody. "Except for day one."
War in Ukraine: "I will get it settled before I even become president." [i.e. before 20th January]
“My very first day back in the White House, I will terminate every single open border policy of the Biden-Harris administration, and we will seal the border.”
"I would fire him [Special Counsel Jack Smith] within two seconds. He'll be one of the first things addressed"
"And I will end the electric vehicle mandate on day one".
“I’m going to inform (the Mexican president) on Day 1 or sooner that if they don’t stop this onslaught of criminals and drugs coming into our country, I’m going to immediately impose a 25% tariff on everything they send into the US"

Hopefully his commitments relating to gender ideology will actually be carried out on Day One.

A reminder of the new president's to-do list, to be completed, he says, by Tuesday at the latest.

duc748 · 19/01/2025 00:54

Can't support too many of them.

UtopiaPlanitia · 19/01/2025 02:22

New York Times poll about Trump's key policy proposals and an article discussing same (it has a couple of sections discussing public perceptions of genderism):

Support for Trump’s Policies Exceeds Support for Trump
A new poll found the public is sympathetic to the president-elect’s plans to deport migrants and reduce America’s presence overseas.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/us/politics/trump-policies-immigration-tariffs-economy.html

https://archive.is/ThUtt

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 19/01/2025 08:59

The public have their views and the Dems have theirs. They just handed McBride the role of Deputy Whip.

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PaterPower · 19/01/2025 10:16

RoyalCorgi · 24/12/2024 11:01

I would go further and say that the trans surgery machine is institutionalised child abuse. Because it's explicitly taking mentally ill, abused, autistic, eating disordered and otherwise vulnerable children, drugging and mutilating their genitals, and even forcing a No Contact separation between them and their families if the families don't comply. This is absolutely the predator's playbook and so in 30 years I believe we'll look back on this period with the same horror that we use to look back on Jimmy Savile's career.

Worse than Savile's career. This is the medical profession knowingly mutilating children and putting them on life-shortening drugs, with the explicit endorsement of the establishment: government, corporates, universities, professional associations and so on. It's more like the frontal lobotomy scandal, but worse even than that in my view.

Or the blood products scandal of the 80s, which was actively prolonged and covered up even after the risks were known.

Or continuing to prescribe Thalidomide after the side effects were understood, without relaying those risks to the women involved.

Both examples of the medical ‘establishment,’ with the full knowledge and complicity of Government, ran roughshod over the best interests of their patients victims.

EasternStandard · 19/01/2025 10:22

RoyalCorgi · 24/12/2024 11:01

I would go further and say that the trans surgery machine is institutionalised child abuse. Because it's explicitly taking mentally ill, abused, autistic, eating disordered and otherwise vulnerable children, drugging and mutilating their genitals, and even forcing a No Contact separation between them and their families if the families don't comply. This is absolutely the predator's playbook and so in 30 years I believe we'll look back on this period with the same horror that we use to look back on Jimmy Savile's career.

Worse than Savile's career. This is the medical profession knowingly mutilating children and putting them on life-shortening drugs, with the explicit endorsement of the establishment: government, corporates, universities, professional associations and so on. It's more like the frontal lobotomy scandal, but worse even than that in my view.

Much worse than Savile, and yes worse than frontal lobotomy scandal even. You’d need to find something broad scale and backed by institutions and impacting children.

EasternStandard · 19/01/2025 10:24

I’d say you need to find something impacting culture, safety, society and dc written in laws and backed by institutions

Some kind of mass cultural movement that ended in harm

UtopiaPlanitia · 19/01/2025 14:05

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 19/01/2025 08:59

The public have their views and the Dems have theirs. They just handed McBride the role of Deputy Whip.

x.com/babybeginner/status/1880887477151633490?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Aren’t the Democrats being ever so slightly ‘obvious’ with this appointing McBride to this role?

It’s such student union politics and it’s the type of irritating student union politics that we see in almost every Western democratic parliament in recent years: I’m so fed up with attempts at virtue signalling and owning the opposition - I want proper grown up boring government that fixes infrastructure and improves voters’ lives.

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