Trump's plans for day one: ending child sexual mutilation and having just male and female genders

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He says "genders" but that has to mean "sex". Day one executive orders, apparently:

x.com/chooocole/status/1870920265330528324?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Hmm. I watch with interest.

He probably said gender to ensure that no one got rid of the sex industry on him.

I'm hoping that strong encouragement from people like Vance and Musk (and Congress members like Nancy Mace) will make Trump hold to any statements he's made that will be positive for those at risk because of gender identity ideology.

I also think that the pre-election ads showed Trump's camp that there is a huge swell of support among the electorate for a return to sense on this issue.

Something else for President Trump's 'Things To Do On Day One' list!

'Day One' is 20th January, but let's be generous and give him till the first full day of his presidency, 21st January. It's going to be one heck of a day, as he has already promised to:

"On Day One, I will revoke Joe Biden’s cruel policies on so-called “gender affirming care”
"On day one, I will launch the largest deportation program in American history to get the criminals out,"
He said he would never abuse power as retribution against anybody. "Except for day one."
War in Ukraine: "I will get it settled before I even become president." [i.e. before 20th January]
“My very first day back in the White House, I will terminate every single open border policy of the Biden-Harris administration, and we will seal the border.”
"I would fire him [Special Counsel Jack Smith] within two seconds. He'll be one of the first things addressed"
"And I will end the electric vehicle mandate on day one".
“I’m going to inform (the Mexican president) on Day 1 or sooner that if they don’t stop this onslaught of criminals and drugs coming into our country, I’m going to immediately impose a 25% tariff on everything they send into the US"

Hopefully his commitments relating to gender ideology will actually be carried out on Day One.

Americans don't usually differentiate between sex and gender.It's not an active part of the discussion there.

The tariff thing is interesting. He's also told Canada that unless they improve border security, he will put on a tariff.And they are scrambling to do it, it's a significant motivator.

I will be interested to see if Mexico finds it equally motivating.

as a canadian i'm trilled that our government is being pushed to beef up the border security as well increase our nato spending. trudeau must go.
sad that it's taken the president of another country to get us going on things the canadian public have been requesting for years.
his border/immigration/fenanyl/nato idea (although not founded on genuine numbers) are decent ideas that we should have been doing ourselves.

And Woke Canada is finally moving in the right direction too- from opposition leader Pierre Poilievre-

“Surreal: A man who killed his wife and two kids now claims he is a woman to go to a female prison.

I can’t believe I have to say this: but when I’m PM, there will be no male prisoners in female jails.

Period.”

x.com/pierrepoilievre/status/1870920091753230728?s=46

I think Trump's Executive Orders are already written and simply await his signature in the 'Trump draws' style. (Does anyone remember 'Trump draws'? It was bloody hilarious on Twitter, as it then was.)

So, no more circumcisions?

@Tooes circumcision has nothing to do with gender affirming care.

@Tooes would absolutely already know this. It’s a common straw man argument of our FWR monitors who pop in from Reddit to make sure these threads go off tangent.

Americans don't usually differentiate between sex and gender.It's an active part of the discussion there.

And this is important, because it's one reason why Trump-style anti-trans stuff isn't feminist. This isn't "sex is real but males and females shouldn't be bound by sex stereotypes". Upholding the two traditional genders and all the sexist baggage associated with that is really important for Republicans.

I think their legislation states "sex". Eg Title IX.

I remember the outrage a few years back when the Wokes copied a direct quote from Ruth Bader Ginsburg but replaced her word sex with gender.

Maybe re the derail goading. But equally, most MN posters are in the UK and I don't think there is a collective desire here to defend circumcisions.

Personally I don't mind it being brought up as it's an example of a) children being too young to have informed consent about parts of their body being removed b) unnecessary body part removal linked to a belief c) lots of pseudoscience being available to "evidence" why it's good for someone's health.

But no, Trump won't end circumcisions.

Hypocrisy will continue to dominate US politics, just as it did under the Democrats because both centre values associated with belief in their law-making. They also each promote belief-led values of what should be tolerated and taught in schools and society. It's just that the tenets of Christian belief will be pushed now instead of the tenets of gender identity belief. Hopefully not beyond where it already exists e.g. hopefully those who believe that being gay (or even identifying as trans) is morally wrong won't get to lead decision-making. It's already concerning that this is impacting abortion discussion e.g. the Bill that is on the table in South Carolina to make abortion a death penalty crime. FFS.

AFAIK most circumcisions in the US cite point c as their reasoning, but there is sympathy towards the Jewish belief that supports it. I should imagine there is "science" to justify all sorts of belief-based values. Obviously we've seen plenty of it WRT gender identity belief on these boards and I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if there was something written somewhere about the "scientific benefit" of FGM.

Hypocrisy was ultimately what turned me from Christian to agnostic to atheist, with the biggest one of all being that life is sacred... but some lives are apparently more sacred than others..so war, gun-ownership, the death penalty etc are all totally fine because that's presumably the right kind of killing.

Hypocrisy is also what puts me off gender identity belief. The glaringly obvious one here being that the way to challenge sex-based stereotypes apparently isn't to encourage people to see these as sexist, it's to encourage people to pick the ones that "fit" them best and adapt their body accordingly.

It's also very off-putting that it's adults who should know better, like doctors and teachers, that are leading thousands of children and vulnerable young adults to think that removing body parts (and altering their endocrine systems forever) to match their supposed "gendered soul" will make them happier and healthier.

I don't agree with any body part removal being done to children: circumcision, FGM or "gender affirming care". However, the first one is the least intrusive of all and I assume the second is already illegal in the US, like it is in the UK. The third is the most serious/consequential as it impacts fertility, brain function and bone health as well having as other physical and psychological effects. Ending it as a Day One priority is an excellent idea.

That's a good firm statement. Hope he extends that attitude to other areas, not just prisons, so that Canada can put an end to nonsense such as Jonathan/Jessica Yaniv suing women for not waxing his balls or male teachers coming to school with giant inflatable breasts.

Fuck you, TRAs, for putting me in a position where there is a genuine upside to Trump's victory.

(Don't get me wrong it's still a disaster, globally speaking. But if you're making Trump look line a reasonable alternative something is very fucking wrong.)

The surgeons who do trans surgeries are butchers. They overpromise and do shoddy work. The rate of post op complications for MtF is 50%. For phallo, it's 80%. Even if the best surgeons did the best work, there would still be complications and failures because the surgeries are just not possible whilst human bodies are the way they are. Colon tissue cannot become vaginal tissue. A female urethra cannot be stretched to the tip of a neophallus without fistula.

Vulnerable people undergo these surgeries and wind up horrifically disabled. Some die like Griffen Sivret and Apollo Moon - both in their 20s.

My heart breaks when I read trans forums and see the pain and horror these young people have to go through. Meanwhile the Mengele who did the surgery disappears with the money.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day and Trump is bang on here. We should not be butchering mentally ill young people. End the butchery now.

I'm sorry, this is kind of bs.

Most Republicans are not putting a lot of weight in somehow upholding what you are calling "gender".

They may or may not believe that men and women have behavioural or other sex based differences, and they have a variety of views on what kinds of social norms are ok, and which are harmful, but these aren't usually encompassed in the word "gender".

Lots of Republicans are women and many who aren't have wives, daughters, etc. They aren't suggesting they need to be kept n a kitchen, conservative women in the US are politically active, many have careers, just like women in the UK, many don't like to wear dresses or have long hair,or they do like to go hunting and watch car races.

I would think that's his intent, though I think the Yaniv cases were related to provincial legislation.

I am not crazy about PP, he is too divisive on purpose for my tastes. But he Is pretty clear on the gender stuff now.

It's being painted in the press as homophobic though, which is really unjustified - he's been very clear that he supports same sex marriage and his own father is gay.

There seems like progressives have developed a very lazy habit of simply accusing conservatives about being "anti" on everything on trend no matter what they actually say.

I think he's also added

• Invade Panama (apparently he thinks the canal charges are too expensive); and
• Invade Canada (no idea on this one, but he's started to refer to Canada as a State and Trudeau as Governor)

To the list in the last couple of weeks. But he might save them for his second week.

Why it always the worst politicians that speak the most sense on this issue?

Thaiyogamassage I think it's because they're not tying themselves in knots trying to assume that there is anything worthy about going along with gender identity. They're not very concerned with being seen as 'nice'.

Trump did executive orders on gender identity and the army very early on last time if I recall correctly.

So I'd be more surprised if he didn't.

I think he did a whole pile of executive orders that were then challenged in court. A lot got booted as a result of that, but I think this one is liable to not fall down, as even if there are challenges and it gets to the Supreme Court I think the court will have trouble throwing it out (and that's without accounting for the US appointed judge system which leans republican in the supreme court ATM).

Why? Because of the fragility of the argument for GI and because the rights of people always favours doing no physical irreversible harm over and above potential mental harms and we are talking about children. We know this from how court cases have gone in the UK.

Cos material reality. Puberty is material reality and consent can not be properly obtained for minors.

I'm sorry Jeremiah but this isn't 2016. The Overton Window's moved a LOT since then, more women have done their research, and the old "You can't be a feminist unless you're also pro-trans!" intersectional argument (of which your post is a variant) doesn't work on us any more.

For those of us who paid closer attention to election results, the black-and-white explanation of Republican = sexist old white dudes and Democrat = progressive and inclusive just doesn't wash. The Democrats have lost women and people of colour in droves.