Trump's plans for day one: ending child sexual mutilation and having just male and female genders

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He says "genders" but that has to mean "sex". Day one executive orders, apparently:

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Education doesn't necessarily equate to intelligence. Sometimes it just means you learn how to phrase bullshit more convincingly.

This!

Not believing that trans women belong in womens prisons doesn't make me gender critical.

Go and post it on TRA Reddit, see what they think 🤷‍♀️

It's the black and white thinking of gender critical posters.and the righteousness that comes with it, like declaring someone a TERF because they think that female prisoners should be protected that makes most people not want to engage with them.

LOL. It's not actually women on Mumsnet who do that, it's trans rights activists who are happy to demonise any woman as a terf who even suggests that in some limited ways biological sex might be sort of important.

Like you, if your position is genuinely held.

Just so pleased about this. And the clear and straightforward language used. Other nations are going to have to stand up now and tell us why this is a terrible idea. 😛

Right!

And of course, women are far too naive and apparently don't understand :

That a political party will make decisions that will win them votes if they understand there is enough depth of support for that particular issue that it might convince swinging voters to vote for them, but that they then need to deliver their promises to keep that swinging support going for as long as they can.

And that this issue crosses the boundaries of 'belonging' to feminists. It has negatively impacted female people across the spectrum of political beliefs. So,
while there are aspects of the group of issues that interest feminists, there are many other people who are not feminist who also want the protections that this EO can influence.

Surely we should be able to discuss the positives and negatives of the EO without the attempts to shame posters who want to celebrate aspects or all of it.

But hey, then again reasonable people in the world do not declare others as being fully supportive of a party leader just because they agree on one aspect partially or wholly of one EO. What a world when saying 'He got this right' is twisted to being 'you are all worshiping this man'.

As it seems obligatory to have to say on here: Trump evil but a stopped clock etc so I'm going to say: I agree with almost all his orders announced yesterday (I put almost because I can't claim to have considered them all closely) and they represent turn back to normality and reality generally.

Trump is an extreme divisive character, but his polices are what was regarded as common sense 15 yars ago.

Gender ideology has repented the wildest straying from reality by a government but the 'progressive' agenda has been roundly rejected as the extreme position by the people not Trumpism.

It's also perfectly obvious to most people that:

A country needs a secure border
That people should not be judged on the colour of their skin
That net zero will lead to poverty
And that there are 2 sexes.

I don't mean to derail the thread into a is Trump good/evil debate ( I haven't got time for that today anyway) but I just wanted to counter the assumption this is the only good thing he's doing, everything else is extreme.

No, most of what he's doing is also normal obvious stuff and undoing damage by the 'progressives', that's why he won.

I believe that transgender people have the right to be recognised and treated as the gender they identify as and have a right to gender affirming care

But you don’t believe that prisoners should be, so you’re critical of their gender identity in this scenario. As pp say, go and post this on a trans forum and see how long it takes until you get told to die in a grease fire or banned.

It is ludicrous malaga that we need this disclosure when we post.

I think we should all now post with the disclaimer as a footnote... oh... wait... won't that take our posts into the dreaded 'essay' territory?

I believe that transgender people have the right to be recognised and treated as the gender they identify as and have a right to gender affirming care

I don't believe I or anyone else is under any obligation to uphold the thoughts in another person's head. I also do not believe the NHS should help people to harm their own bodies.

Who was stopping Biden or the Democrats from having the same policies on sex and issuing the same executive order on day one?

If they had we'd have been very happy. But they didn't.

That's on them, not Trump.

You do have to score goals yourself, you can't just hope your opponents won't.

Oh - I missed on the first reading that compelled speech sex deception pronouns will no longer be allowed in public institutions and schools.

Hallelujah! The abuse of children to be stopped on all fronts! The gaslighting, the silencing, the toxic lying.

Please please can we follow suit over here?

If you were remotely thinking that Trump was a reasonable alternative because of his anti trans stances, and vote for him based on BS anti-trans reasons, then that sounds like it’s a you problem.

People like you are reasons number one, two and three why this place is nicknamed ‘Prosecco Stormfront’.

Working for an American company in the UK, I wonder if they're going to drop their DEI gaslighting here too. Shame for all the stupid crap Trump will do for the oligarchs, but hopefully it will put a break on the attempts of the insane to convert our children

The EO is about women's rights. Women.
This EO is great for women in America. It's also a superb piece of drafting. The clarity and comprehensiveness will I hope be powerfully persuasive in English speaking countries around the world.

People like you are reasons number one, two and three why this place is nicknamed ‘Prosecco Stormfront’.

No one cares 👍🏻

Amen to that.
I have kept up with every FWR thread on the Executive Order today and I have not heard a single reasoned argument in favour of gender ideology. In fact I haven't heard one in the last 9 years. You would think one could be mustered today of all days. Last chance before I go to bed. Anyone......?

I believe that transgender people have the right to be recognised and treated as the gender they identify as and have a right to gender affirming care. So by definition not gender critical.

although you're right that it does not make you gender critical, I'm still not sure you understand what gender critical means.

Gender, in that term, means the roles and expectations that society imposes on men and women, based on what they think they should be doing because of their sex.

Feminists are naturally critical of society imposed gender roles, because nine times out of ten they will disadvantage women.

It's built into feminism.

Trans ideology posits that if a man feels in a certain way, it must make him a woman. And what is that certain way? Because you can bet your life it's not leading a country, or getting a Nobel peace prize.

It would be a 'womanly' way. And a womanly way that is largely never discussed, because of course, it will show up the sexism (and let's face it, men never transition because they suddenly want to write all the Christmas cards, take care of the kids and look after elderly parents).

So being a gender critical feminist is really a tautology. You can't be a feminist without being critical of gender.

🥂

Champagne I hope @Datun, @Atalanta44 might only set their sights on Prosecco but I'm not so easily pleased 🍾

I believe that transgender people have the right to be recognised and treated as the gender they identify as and have a right to gender affirming care.

You can believe anything you like but I won’t be forced to accept your beliefs and nor it seems will people in the US. 👍

Ah yes, of course you don't give a shit about how the Trump administration will negatively affect a whole nation as long as your GC agenda succeeds. Why am I not surprised

I specifically quoted the bit I was referring to, the bit about the puerile name a lot of sexist men use for this website, but don't let that get in the way of your bad faith takes 🙄

No one is buying it @LadyGreyson - you and your middle class postgrad chums are out of touch with what people think. Which is where you came in, I think 🤷‍♀️